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Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by avalys on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @02:15PM (#28383609)
I also experienced tinnitus about two days after the second Pfizer dose. I had always had very mild tinnitus, noticeable only with specific attention in quiet rooms, and this was a clear increase that was noticeable in normal situations. I also had sensations of ear pressure and "fullness".

Went to see an ENT who basically said "Yeah, maybe the vaccine, weird, but we know nothing here." and offered no solution. I had a hearing test which showed a slight decrease in sensitivity at low frequencies, but still in the clinical range for "normal hearing", so there wasn't really much to be done.

In severe cases or those involving clear hearing loss, most people seem to think that oral steroids or steroid injections directly into the middle ear would be effective at reversing whatever inflammatory process is occurring and avoid long-term damage. Steroids have their own side effects, and to be effective, need to given as soon as possible. I had waited a bit to make the ENT appointment and didn't feel like my case was severe enough to ask for this.

Now two months later the ear sensations have gone away and the tinnitus is back to the mild level I experienced previously. But it was an unpleasant experience that I do not wish to repeat. I will probably avoid the booster if possible.

However, many people have also reported permanent hearing loss and tinnitus after contracting COVID. For all I know, getting the vaccine may have saved me from much more serious and long-lasting symptoms that would have come with an actual COVID infection. No way to know unfortunately.

Goddamn biology. Back to coding now.

Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by cactus2093 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @04:16PM (#28385040)
> However, many people have also reported permanent hearing loss and tinnitus after contracting COVID

Thanks for pointing this out. It's definitely sad that people are having side effects to the vaccine, but most of the discussion about it seems to be implicitly asserting that the choice was either to get the vaccine, or go on without it while staying healthy indefinitely. Obviously that's not the case, the choice is to get the vaccine or eventually catch Covid unvaccinated and roll the dice with what might happen in that case, which by all indications is much more likely to lead to serious side effects than the vaccine.

Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by mcastle on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @06:03PM (#28386086)
There’s a third choice, which is not getting the vaccine because you already have natural resistance to COVID, such as through a previous infection with COVID. In this case, a vaccine could introduce unnecessary risk.
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by tmn on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @07:08PM (#28386686)
That’s the second choice. You’re just later on after catching COVID
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by mcastle on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @07:46PM (#28386979)
It’s not the second choice though, since the initial state is different, and thus so are the risks and rewards of getting the vaccine.
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by ShannyBabes123 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:14PM (#28388000)
What I'm still curious about is re: the risks of the naturally immune taking the vaccine. If they're immune, wouldn't they have fast deployment of antibodies to the vaccine-induced creation of the s-protein? Then surely it wouldn't be any greater risk than catching covid again, right? Meaning both situations (getting vaxx or getting covid again) would likely result in mild or no reaction (presuming an otherwise healthy risk profile). What am I missing?
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by aeternum on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @11:45PM (#28388436)
One very small (but real) risk of the RNA vaccines is that it is quite difficult to dose the s-protein production. The amount of cellular uptake of the lipids envelopes, efficiency of ribosomes and many other factors play a role. The vaccine RNA is optimized to promote transcription. Someone who's cells are naturally happen to be great at transcription may create a lot more s-protein than someone else.

Too much s-protein can provoke a higher than optimal immune response which can also be dangerous.

Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by ShannyBabes123 on Thursday September 02, 2021 @01:46AM (#28389045)
Ok. I guess my question was: would it be safer for an otherwise healthy person that had covid and recovered to face covid again or to get the vaccine? And I guess the answer is: "it depends" - chiefly on which produces a larger viral load. And that might depend on how much virus you get sneezed into the open wound you're getting stitched up by the roadside Guatemalan doctor skimping on mask costs whose been feeling a wee bit snotty that afternoon. Or whether your cells produce more than is necessary and you have a bad immune response.
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by ce4 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @03:13PM (#28384330)
In my case it was an undiagnosed long dormant bacterial tick borne infection that periodically became active and became worse the last couple of years. Subsequent treatment resulted in a heavy spike of symptoms i had long forgotten I once had years ago or accepted as the "normal" state. Of almost all of those symptoms I was unaware they might be somehow connected, one of them being Tinnitus in the right ear. There are probably lots of low level infections that cause no to only mild symptoms for years. My first BioNtech/Pfizer shot also triggered it again and some other funny symptoms that lasted for more than three weeks. Second shot will be next week.
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by patorjk on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @04:24PM (#28385118)
My mom had a bad case of COVID (13 days in the ICU). It affected her hearing. She said the hearing in her left ear would just cut out almost completely, and then later come back but not as strong as before. She went for a hearing test and they verified she had some hearing loss. She also experienced a number of other side effects but she's thankfully mostly back to normal now. You may have dodged a bullet by getting the vaccine, but like you said there's really no way to know.
Re:Rogue antibodies involved in almost one-fifth of Covid de... by double0jimb0 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @03:19PM (#28384403)
Next time try Flonase up the nose, much less invasive than a shot into the middle ear.