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Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @03:49AM (#28365004)
No government in history has been efficient. There are moments of brilliance in government operations, but it is never sustainable nor transferrable.

> a noble calling, or at least better, morally, than optimizing ad revenue. I would like to work with people who want to make things that solve problems for huge swaths of people who really need help.

That's what we do in developing Open Source software. No government is required.

Also, there are plenty, plenty of thriving companies that do not sell ads.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by mellavora on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:24AM (#28365205)
"Efficient", meaning delivering maximum goods/services for minimum cost, may be a good thing in a business context.

However, there are a number of essential services which we want a government to deliver which we do not want to be "efficient" under this definition.

"efficiency" by definition means no reserves (because a reserve is unused capacity, which is inefficient). But this also means brittleness and failure under unexpected load. Is this how you want your healthcare delivered?

"efficiency" can also mean not providing services to unprofitable market segments. I'll leave it to you to imagine how this goes horribly wrong for many government services.

"efficiency" can also mean no long-term investments (i.e. highway systems, the internet, ...), and certainly means you can only invest in projects where you can capture a substantial percentage of the gain. And on those line, "efficiency" often means ignoring maintenance needs.

Simply put, business is great for what business is great for. But for lots of critical social infrastructure, this isn't the case.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:01AM (#28365480)
> But this also means brittleness and failure under unexpected load. Is this how you want your healthcare delivered?

Let's look at something simpler. The US government has proven itself inept at distributing gasoline, which it did in the 1970s (as in long gas lines in some areas and gluts in others). The oil companies, before and after, have been remarkably adept at providing plenty of gas for anyone who wants to buy it, despite refinery explosions, pipeline disasters, etc.

Before government got in the US healthcare system, the system worked well and costs were reasonable.

Internet services run by free market companies seem to be remarkably not brittle.

> "efficiency" often means ignoring maintenance needs.

The government has been ignoring maintenance for decades. The Seattle government ignored the bridge maintenance while they blew through all the money on various progressive causes, and now the bridges are shut down because they're not safe to drive on.

Government run farms have never in history been able to feed a country. The free market farms in the US fed the US and the USSR. (Kansas wheat was exported to the USSR that desperately needed it.)

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:34PM (#28371784)
> The US government has proven itself inept at distributing gasoline, which it did in the 1970s

No, the US government didn’t distribute gasoline. Some state governments issued rationing regulations in one or both of the oil crises, and the US government imposed price regulations during part of the latter of the two crises.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:37PM (#28371825)
> No, the US government didn’t distribute gasoline.

What the DOE did was allocate a gas allotment to each gas station. Stations individually had to apply for gas allotments. If they ran out, too bad. If they had too much, they couldn't allocate it to another station.

The result was shortages and gluts. The DOE proved completely incapable of adjusting to constant shifts in demand. They'd allocate based on the previous year's pattern.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by edgyquant on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:25PM (#28371656)
Distribution of gasoline doesn't seem like it should be a government role. Distribution of mail, especially to the last mile routes that aren't profitable, does.
Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:39PM (#28371848)
> Distribution of gasoline doesn't seem like it should be a government role.

So we learned.

> Distribution of mail, especially to the last mile routes that aren't profitable, does.

UPS seems to do it just fine (for packages), at a profit.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by _-david-_ on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @03:08PM (#28372156)
UPS couldn't easily do letters since the government made competition with the USPS expensive or outright illegal in some situations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:34PM (#28373268)
If the USPS was efficient, it wouldn't have been necessary to outlaw the competition.
Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by mellavora on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:29AM (#28365232)
There actually have been efficient governments. I'll leave aside the terrible efficiencies of some government atrocities, and instead look at when public works were seen as noble.

Post offices were amazing when we funded and respected them. - Pneumatic posts, https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/06/08/us-post-off...

-"In 1831 Alexis de Tocqueville celebrated the American postal system as a marvel of its day"

Or even back to Cyrus the Great's "pony express" message delivery system, circa 6th century BC

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by WalterBright on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:55AM (#28365440)
Just because the government commits atrocities doesn't mean they were efficient at it. Nor does "amazing" mean efficient, either. The USPS was inefficient enough that Congress had to make it illegal to compete with them.

I doubt you can make an efficiency assessment of something in the 6th century BC. But if you have to go back that far to find an efficient government operation, you've made my point!

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by the-dude on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @04:03AM (#28365087)
> but it is never sustainable nor transferrable.

This reminds me of my late father, who worked for our municipality : the municipality (the org) has no memory.