Re:If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard t...
by commandlinefan on Monday August 30, 2021 @12:47PM
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> If you're going through the front door, you've already lost.
I've heard that advice in various forms but I must say (anecdote incoming) - in my own 30 year career, the best jobs I've ever had were the random ones that I just applied for and the worst ones were the ones that somebody I knew from before recruited me in from outside.
Re:If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard t...
by xpe on Monday August 30, 2021 @01:55PM
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How many jobs have you had? You talked about the best and the worst. Can you comment on the relationship between (y-axis) quality of job and (x-axis) strength of personal connection before you joined. If you plotted a scatterplot, what relationship would you find?
Re:If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard t...
by commandlinefan on Monday August 30, 2021 @04:00PM
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I've changed jobs ten times since 1992. As it works out, exactly half of them I was recruited into by an internal reference and the other half I found on a job board like Monster or LinkedIn. By far, the two best were relatively large organizations that I applied to cold, and the two absolute worst were actually the ones I was most actively recruited into by former co-workers. I suspect that the problem in both of the latter cases was that they worked so hard to bring me in that they ended up overselling me - I'm good, but I'm also a human who has two kids to look after. On the other hand, if I'm "just" the best candidate from the pile of resumes, expectations seem to be reasonable.
Re:If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard t...
by bryanrasmussen on Monday August 30, 2021 @01:17PM
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hmm, I guess I can say a reasonably good one and the worst one ever that almost made me quit programming came about this way. The same guy recruited me in both places.
Re:If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard t...
by rhacker on Monday August 30, 2021 @12:47PM
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This is fairly true. The easiest side-door if anyone is wondering is a recruiting firm. At least with those there is already a somewhat simple contract in place that helps get rid of poor people.
I am wondering if the entire interview process should just be pay them for 2 weeks and see if they stick.
My experience has been that this applies to recruiting, hiring, BD, sales, fundraising, etc. Anywhere that there's a systemic principal-agent problem.