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Re:Ask HN: Why does validating a user require 14000 files? by 6510 on Monday August 30, 2021 @04:59AM (#28353861)
Just some ramble... ...fin-tech goes out of their way to identify a user but governments pretend a picture of a passport or ID card is sufficient(?!) Talking with IT folk since the early days of the web I kept hearing high praise for anonymity which of course has its place... until it doesn't? The Orwellian "track people everywhere" scheme, at the time, did seem like a good excuse not to but today we get identified mostly for sinister purposes? (howmany files would facebook have in their project to track you?) As a developer most often I just want a user to be unique. That cant really be done without major effort. I prefer not to store any information about people but if I don't it gets easier to make a thousand accounts. Everything kinda works but if we are honest it doesn't? It works but the solution isn't to inform google when people log in where(!?) or to hand out your email address to everyone(!?) or to allow anyone to send registration mails from your server and get black listed(!?) Geo data? One can simply configure that. Facial recognition? One can have as many faces as one likes.

It seems so simple to have a global standard for some government API with perhaps some [portable] card reader and perhaps some ISP logic. Nice developer tokens with permission levels that can be revoked?

Or is that [again] one more naive idea?

Re:Ask HN: Why does validating a user require 14000 files? by TeMPOraL on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:07AM (#28353904)
> but governments pretend a picture of a passport or ID card is sufficient(?!)

That's because forging the passport or ID card, or impersonating someone else with borrowed/stolen passport or ID card, are serious offenses that will land you in prison.

What's often forgotten when comparing digital and meatspace security is that "angry men with guns will come for you and put you in front of a judge" is a critical part of security systems in meatspace. The very possibility of it acts as a powerful deterrent for casual attacks. Governments can rely more on this than private companies, so at least in meatspace, you don't need to jump through as many authentication hoops as you need with banks.

(Digital is different, governments sometimes overdo the hoops there, because for any Internet-connected system the pool of would-be attackers consists mostly of people from outside the reach of law enforcement of the country that hosts the system.)

Re:Ask HN: Why does validating a user require 14000 files? by rambambram on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:28AM (#28354031)
> What's often forgotten when comparing digital and meatspace security is that "angry men with guns will come for you and put you in front of a judge" is a critical part of security systems in meatspace.

This sounds like governments and government 'officials' (ooh, you work for the government, now you are 'official') somehow automatically loose their jurisdiction somewhere between meatspace and cyberspace. They don't.

I mean, ask Kim Dotcom about angry men with guns. Don't ask him about the judges, I guess.

Re:Ask HN: Why does validating a user require 14000 files? by sofixa on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:10AM (#28353914)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS

There was also a French government plan (there was an app in beta, i should take a look at it again) to validate user identity with a smartphone and conformant passport / ID card ( the recent ones with chips and NFC) - you use the app to read the biometric info from the passport / ID card, and then take a video of yourself which is then matched, thus confirming who you are.