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Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by southerntofu on Sunday August 29, 2021 @05:58AM (#28345512)
> examples: Tesla

I am curious how electric car batteries will fare in the long run. Lithium batteries in the computing world (eg. smartphone batteries) are well known to lose charge after a few years. Considering battery is a considerable cost in manufacture/maintenance of an electric car, i'm not sure how that would play out. I guess we'll have to wait another decade to find out whether that's a disaster or not.

Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by Teknoman117 on Sunday August 29, 2021 @06:06AM (#28345548)
I shot myself in the foot there a bit.

I was really thinking "used cars that sell for so close to what they cost new you might as well buy the new one" (Tesla) and I mentally leaped to "that should mean the car is built so well, being a few years old should cause any wear worth mentioning" (I.e. well built off-road capable vehicle that 90% of owners purchased to merely masquerade as someone who does things that justify owning one)

I too wonder what the range loss will do to the value over time. If lithium doesn’t get substantially more expensive, I know that for the Nissan Leaf my parents owned, getting a new battery + the labor was like $4,000. Admittedly the Tesla battery has 3x higher capacity, but I don’t know much that actually effects the end price after accounting for all of the other stuff that goes into those packs.

Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by fragmede on Sunday August 29, 2021 @08:12AM (#28346081)
The original Tesla roadster came out in 2008, and while it was a very niche vehicle, we can still learn from it being 13 or so years old. Even ignoring the life of the cells themselves, everything around them has changed, as Tesla's learned a lot about making electric cars. eg the plate on the underside of the vehicle to protect the batteries has undergone some reworking. It would be foolish to think a Tesla from 2031 wouldn't have similarly advanced from something from this year.
Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by southerntofu on Sunday August 29, 2021 @12:36PM (#28348174)
> it being 13 or so years old

That's very young for mechanical equipment. Traditional cars , washing machines and fridges could be operated for several decades with little maintenance.

> Even ignoring the life of the cells themselves

That was the point of my argument, though. That a great part of the car's production cost is due to the battery, which has a rather limited lifespan.

Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by long11l on Sunday August 29, 2021 @10:25PM (#28352290)
Traditional cars are owned on average for 6 years.

And maintenance is definitely required along the way and will just keep climbing

Re:Oil firms slash U.S. Gulf of Mexico output by 91% ahead o... by southerntofu on Monday August 30, 2021 @07:13AM (#28354477)
> Traditional cars are owned on average for 6 years.

I have no clue about such statistics, but in any case they don't mean the car itself becomes useless after that period.

> And maintenance is definitely required

Yes but that's an entirely reasonable cost, at least compared to new cars. Even if you need to change significant parts of your car every few years (which is usually not the case), it would cost you a few thousand euros at most. A budget of, let's say 1000€/year maintenance (high estimate) is still an order of magnitude cheaper than buying a new car (20-100k€). That 1000€ yearly budget estimate is a very high estimate which accounts for expensive parts to change at most once every decade.

Of course, many people who buy second-hand cars will just buy another second-hand car for 100-1000€ instead of changing expensive/hard-to-reach parts for over 1000€. It all depends on how easy finding the parts are, and whether you or a person close to you has the equipment and knowledge to change the part for free (or in exchange for other services).