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Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by mullingitover on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:37PM (#28343288)
It's not that it's different than the rest of the world, it's that in the past the US was wealthy enough that this wasn't a typical thing to do. The news here is more that the US is in decline, and it's no longer standard for young people to be able to afford to live on their own.
Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by jefftk on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:49PM (#28343353)
It's less that the US has become less wealthy, and more that we have manufactured a housing crisis by refusing to allow people to construct housing to keep up with demand.
Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by mullingitover on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:21PM (#28343515)
I totally agree that we've manufactured a housing crisis, but having driven around in the rural midwest, the US is obviously less wealthy than it used to be. There are abandoned structures littering the country in what used to be thriving towns.

We have on average gotten more wealthy, but the p50 and p20 brackets definitely are worse off than in past generations and worse off than in comparable post-industrial economies.

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by PhantomGremlin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:09PM (#28343450)
we have manufactured a housing crisis

I agree there's a housing crisis, not sure how we arrived at one, "manufactured" or whatever.

Just one data point, personal.

As a young professional I bought a fairly new house in the Portland Oregon suburbs in the 1980s for about 2x my salary.

Today my daughter, a young professional, would have to pay closer to 8x her salary (if you believe Zillow) to buy that very same "starter" house, which is now 35 years older.

Rents have commensurately increased. To quote Jimmy McMillan: "the rent is too damn high".

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by jefftk on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:13PM (#28343472)
"Manufactured" as in "this is a problem we created through bad policy".

It is far harder to build new housing in the US than it used to be, which drives up prices for existing homes, which benefits the local homeowners (voters!) at the expense of everyone else.

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by ipaddr on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:28PM (#28343550)
The population of Portland has more than doubled. Interest rates are at 0 and Portland has a popularity increase over 35 years making properties more desirable.

Portland is trying not to ruin what made it unique with density everywhere and they are not making new land so all of that equals higher prices.

Once interest rates go back to 7% and people start leaving you will see prices go down.

Salem or Gresham would be a cheaper city to move to.

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by nly on Sunday August 29, 2021 @06:02AM (#28345531)
Interest rates don't matter to first time buyers trying to get on the housing ladder.

When housing is 8x income and the bank won't lend you more than 5x income you need to start with a 40% equity to get anywhere

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by Lammy on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:36PM (#28343587)
> I agree there's a housing crisis, not sure how we arrived at one, "manufactured" or whatever.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OEHRENWBSHNO

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by LurkingPenguin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:43PM (#28343322)
Exactly. I live in an East Asian country and my impression is that generally speaking young people who live at home would prefer to live alone but don't because of finances and filial piety.
Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by pope_meat on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:42PM (#28343317)
The US is in decline for some of us.

The wealthy folks are raking it in like never before.

Re:A majority of young adults in the U.S. live with their pa... by chiefalchemist on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:57PM (#28343395)
To be fair, the USA being in decline isn't necessarily causation for young people not being able to afford to live on the their own.

The key issue is the cost of housing; which the USA is reluctant and resolve. Student loan debt also factors in to this situation.

Are those driving the USA's decline? Or simply symptoms of a systems dedicated more to Wall Street and less to Main Street?