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Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by heavyset_go on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:50PM (#28321383)
> This will be super unpopular, but Linux missed the desktop boat 20 years ago

Desktop Linux in 2021 is nothing like it was 20 years ago. Plasma Desktop is a great experience these days, and in my opinion, surpasses both the Windows and macOS desktop shell experiences while implementing features from both systems.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by lp0_on_fire on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:46AM (#28327104)
I just spun up a linux Desktop machine for the first time in almost a decade and agree that Plasma has come a long way but it's still rough around the edges and, well, slow. Not as slow as the Windows UI, but still slower than xfce or the like.

One problem I do have with Plasma (though this may just be how arch packages it) - Dolphin, the native plasma file manager, is not included by default. Yes, I know it's not much of an imposition to do pacman -Sy dolphin but a file manager seems like an integral part of the system to me worthy of being included in the base package for a desktop environment.

Little choices like that affect new user adoption.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by scns on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:42AM (#28327695)
Try it on openSUSE, the best KDE integration by far IMHO, since it is their standard DE since IDK/forever? Tumbleweed offers the newest packages, rolling like Arch, but with a huge test battery on OBS (https://openbuildservice.org/). Snapshots on upgrade make the thought of breakage (haven't had any) tolerable.

Disclaimer: very happy user

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by lp0_on_fire on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:01PM (#28329472)
I cut my teeth on openSUSE years and years ago and haven't been back in a while. Maybe ill spin one up in a VM and see how it works.
Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by scns on Friday August 27, 2021 @03:03PM (#28331746)
It is less user friendly/more secure OOTB, in contrast to Ubuntu/Mint, still worth it IMHO, after reading the horror stories about Docker and UFW on Ubuntu.

Getting KDE Connect (Killer feature IMO) to work needed fiddling with the firewall, but while annoying at the time in retrospect it leaves a good impression.

Podman is availlable without jumping through hoops, and nearly everthing i need is availlable via opi (think AUR but mostly official, directly from OBS), if it is not in Tumbleweed allready.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by heavyset_go on Friday August 27, 2021 @06:10PM (#28333515)
Most new users aren't bootstrapping an Arch installation from scratch. I just installed Manjaro a few days ago and it, along with Kubuntu, both ship with Dolphin by default, as does KDE Neon.

In my experience, Plasma Desktop runs well even on old hardware and uses about the same amount of memory as Xfce.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by harlekein on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:11AM (#28327368)
It's rough around the edges, but have you seen Windows? It's almost hilarious how any component can have UI elements from any of its iterations of the past two decades.

And ask someone who isn't familiar with it to find a setting. It's a hot mess. Just a hot mess a majority of people are used to.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by herbst on Friday August 27, 2021 @07:08AM (#28326318)
I am such a fan of the way gnome shell reinvented distraction less desktop computing (essentially the thing metro should have been) that I feel sorry for people that can never try it.

Yes Linux desktops have been a complicated topic. But it's incredible easy to build something less distractive than windows 10.

Re:I switched from macOS to Linux after 15 years of Apple by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday August 26, 2021 @08:16PM (#28322733)
> Desktop Linux in 2021 is nothing like it was 20 years ago.

True, it's now significantly more complicated and there at least 300 more distros worth of fragmentation. But at least sound finally works!... usually...