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Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by idiotsecant on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:46PM (#28319671)
No, it's showing that we maintain the extra artery. There is no reason to believe this is an evolutionary change - there are plenty of hormonal and other environmental factors that could be contributing as well.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by crazygringo on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:29PM (#28320243)
Exactly -- if the rate of change is as high as they state -- from 10% to 30% of people in a little over a century -- it seems it would be essentially impossible for it to be the result of natural selection or genetic change.

As you say, the obvious explanation is hormonal/environmental factors.

Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by enkid on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:34PM (#28321152)
What do you mean by environmental factors? The environment drives evolution, so changes in the environment would change who survives, which would lead to evolution. If it is an environmental factor that led to selection of individuals having this vein being more likely to propagate, that would still be evolution. This also some very simple scenarios that could lead to such a pressure, like the artery having some minor benefit in reproduction, but a disease we eradicated would disproportionately kill people with the artery.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by TrispusAttucks on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:18PM (#28321705)
Evolution is of a change in the genes. Environmental factors can influence the expression of a gene (think Testosterone or Estrogen) without a change of genetics.

The change in expression over time and participant count the study highlights is not compatible with a natural selection driven evolution.

Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by beerandt on Thursday August 26, 2021 @09:57PM (#28323479)
Epigenetics is the missing term here.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by enkid on Thursday August 26, 2021 @08:48PM (#28323019)
But this would still present an environmental pressure, which would drive evolutionary change. Maybe not this specific gene, but if the environment is driving changes to our anatomy, it will drive changes in to reproductive fit. Maybe not this specific artery, but some other anatomical change.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by OJFord on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:46PM (#28321310)
They mean within a lifespan factors, like pollution, diet, lifestyle, etc.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by gpsx on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:31PM (#28321106)
Yes - in order to have a change be that fast it would have to be something that makes those people dramatically better at surviving, like X-men type mutations, or reproducing. I don't think the change of this blood vessel is really turning the tables between survival and death, or making these people that much more successful at reproducing. But with the prevalence of online dating these days, maybe it is a big help by allow people to navigate faster? /s
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by Osiris on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:44PM (#28321280)
A mutation will also stick around if it doesn't prevent the person from reproducing.

That can still be considered evolution even if it doesn't provide an obvious benefit.

Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by nvrspyx on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:38PM (#28322441)
Just to clarify, the parent comment was stating that for a change (read: evolution) to be that _fast_, it would have to help either survivability or reproduction. In other words, increasing survivability or reproduction speeds up a mutation's proliferation throughout the species.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by robocat on Friday August 27, 2021 @06:40AM (#28326160)
> makes those people dramatically better at surviving

Better at reproducing. Death after reproduction has much less effect on evolution than death before reproduction.

It is unfortunate that it is so often misstated (I am guessing you already know the difference, but I want to clarify it for those who are not so aware). As an aside, I think the article is complete and utter bollocks.

Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by gpsx on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:23PM (#28329703)
I am guessing this is misstated because so often lack of survival is the reason there is less reproduction. But yes, it comes down to who passes their genetic material to the most offspring.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by evancox100 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:33PM (#28321137)
Agreed, pretty clearly an epigenetic or environmental change, not an evolutionary DNA change.
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by edgyquant on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:47PM (#28321329)
I mean, how is that not potentially evolution?
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by idiotsecant on Thursday August 26, 2021 @10:35PM (#28323720)
Because non-genetically derived influences are not evolution?
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by rixed on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:59PM (#28324147)
So what was Darwin writing about, one century before DNA was discovered, if not evolution?
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by MattPalmer1086 on Friday August 27, 2021 @05:52AM (#28325924)
DNA is just a particular mechanism of inheritance. You don't need to know about DNA specifically to posit a theory of evolution (inheritance, variation, natural selection).
Re:More and more humans are growing an extra artery, showing... by rixed on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:35PM (#28339348)
My point exactly.