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Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by camtarn on Thursday August 26, 2021 @01:40PM (#28318021)
> This is the equivalent of playing a record over the phones to my friends

Yeah, that's against copyright law too. It's just that if you were doing that yourself, it would be on too small a scale for the record industry to fight against.

Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by mlazos on Thursday August 26, 2021 @02:54PM (#28318985)
By this logic I can’t invite my friends over to listen to it either though right? That seems like it should be legal. I thought there was some legal threshold where it is no longer personal use but I could be wrong
Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by t-writescode on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:09PM (#28319176)
I'm not a lawyer.

I believe the difference is the 'broadcasting' part. Same with streaming movies over a Zoom call.

Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by meepmorp on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:54PM (#28322073)
You aren't sitting at home, privately listening to music with friends, though. You're streaming the music to a people in other places so they can listen to it.

Those don't sound the same to me.

Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by dcow on Monday August 30, 2021 @08:03PM (#28362445)
It does, however, sound like the cyberspace equivalent to the meatspace activity in question.
Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by prepend on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:18PM (#28319318)
That’s not against the law. What are you talking about?

I can’t deliver public performances. But I can certainly play songs for private settings. Usually explicitly, and if not, under fair use.

Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by camtarn on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:31PM (#28320266)
I was curious, so I looked up the actual law in the US.

It doesn't fall under fair use, as that only covers the use of small portions of a work for a very limited set of uses.

But you might be right. It really depends on whether playing something over the phone is considered a retransmission of a broadcast, whether it's considered the creation of a broadcast, or whether it's considered a single performance.

Section 110 subsection 4:

(4)performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if—

(A)there is no direct or indirect admission charge; or...

And under section 101, 'Definitions':

To perform or display a work “publicly” means—

(1) to perform or display it at a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered; or

(2) to transmit or otherwise communicate a performance or display of the work to a place specified by clause (1) or to the public, by means of any device or process, whether the members of the public capable of receiving the performance or display receive it in the same place or in separate places and at the same time or at different times.

So - you're all good if you're just playing music for your friends at home.

But I can't find anything at all regarding taking a work and turning it into a limited transmission embodying that work, other than the code generally saying that broadcasts to the public must be licensed.

Anyway, while this was a fascinating exercise, I haven't actually come up with a solid answer. I take back my initial statement of "yeah that's against the law" and replace it with "...that might be against the law?" :)

Re:Google has killed Discord's best music bot by prepend on Thursday August 26, 2021 @10:18PM (#28323621)
Is playing through WiFi speakers transmission? If just to myself? If I have friends present?

What is the source is upstairs and the speakers are downstairs, etc.

I think the key factor is non commercial and to a small audience of friends. And that was why I thought fair use.

It’s not clearly defined, but Wikipedia describes it as “ flexible proportionality test that examines the purpose of the use, the amount used, and the impact on the market of the original work.”

So the whole song is played but the purpose is limited and there’s zero or negligible impact on the market.