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Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by ehnto on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:54AM (#28303234)
These conversations often boil down into dichotomies when if you've ever been part of a team you'll know there's tonnes of compromise and negotiation going on in professional settings.

People make comments on either side because they feel they would enjoy X or Y, but they're not meaning to imply that we all hoover up the cool-aid and sacrifice all we have for it. Zdragnar doesn't come to the retreats because they would rather spend time with their family, most places would understand that or at least accept that it's your choice. If your boss doesn't get it, then maybe they'll do you the favour of firing you and you can find a team that does get it.

Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by almost_usual on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:04PM (#28303370)
Having a family is a lot of work. A job that takes all that time away from your other responsibilities isn’t feasible for most people with kids.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by ehnto on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:49PM (#28303857)
Of course, so the best you can do is try and find a job or negotiate some terms that work best for you. But what I see is this false dichotomy that just don't represent the real world and kind of stifle useful conversation.

It's not a matter of "Good for family" or "Bad for family", it's a diverse world out there. Some people work away from home for a full 14 days and then have a full week at home of no work, for some people that's a great compromise. Some people have nothing else, so they like the interaction they get from work, for another example.

Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by nitrogen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:24PM (#28303585)
That doesn't mean such jobs shouldn't exist. Also, some of these jobs pay enough to hire a nanny, at least for those two weeks.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by LightG on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:36PM (#28303706)
What if the nanny wants to work from home because it's taking all her time away from her family?
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by nitrogen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:02PM (#28303997)
I do know people who have run daycares in their homes.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by goldenkey on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:49PM (#28303870)
That's why we have the nanny's nanny, also known as Daddy Longlegs.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by shepherdjerred on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:22PM (#28303566)
Kids were raised just fine for the thousands of years before remote work existed.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by dukeyukey on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:02PM (#28304764)
Work-from-home was pretty much the standard up until 1900 or so, at least for the vast majority of people. It's only since trains and motor vehicles we've been able to commute.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by kazen44 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:44PM (#28306013)
this is highly dependant on location.

a factory worker in a european city in 1900 would not be working from home. (his home would probably be close to the factory yes, but not at home).

Also, raising children and making them spend time in education is only a relatively recent invention. Prior to ww1, child labour was common, especially as a farmer.

Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by nradov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:37PM (#28306610)
The standard varied widely from place to place. In coastal areas it was common for men to go away to sea for months at a time. In fact that still happens today in some countries.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by ngrilly on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:15PM (#28305673)
For what kind of work?
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by dukeyukey on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:21PM (#28309428)
Mostly agricultural, plus artisan crafts that made up most manufacturing up until the Industrial Revolution.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by ngrilly on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:04AM (#28315856)
Then what do you mean by work from home? For agricultural, I guess you mean work at the farm, which can also be the home? And for craft, the workshop and the home are together?
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by makapuf on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:38PM (#28303723)
For those thousands of years, women didnt work without their kids nearby.
Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by jnwatson on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:49PM (#28306074)
The pure mendacity of this statement strikes me as appalling and frankly entitled and classist.

Thousands of workers don't have the enormous privilege of seeing their family every night. All those travel workers, remote health workers, and oil field workers manage to make it work.

Re:Startups now spend more on Airbnb than on office rent by nicbou on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:57PM (#28304683)
I wouldn't really have an excuse. I just don't want to spend two weeks at a retreat with colleagues. It's a job.