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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#28295832)
First, the rate of suicides at these factories is less than that of the background population in China.

Second, Apple is far from the only company that uses Foxconn for manufacturing. Other major customers of theirs are:

  * Acer
  * Amazon
  * Apple
  * Cisco
  * Dell
  * Google
  * HP
  * Intel
  * Lenovo
  * Microsoft
  * Motorola
  * Nintendo
  * Sony
Do you suggest we shut down all of these companies too?

Consider that Apple has publicly done more to ensure reasonable working conditions for their third-party suppliers than the rest of the companies on this list combined.

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:22PM (#28296237)
"Do you suggest we shut down all of these companies too?"

Yes. Allowing it because "everyone else is doing it" doesn't make it right.

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:52PM (#28296484)
See my first point for how that falls apart too.
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @08:37PM (#28296790)
Suicide stats are particularly odd in China, go to the statistics section:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China

Also, looking at:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

"The total number of Foxconn employee suicides is unknown."

If the total deaths are not reported how can we compare?

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @10:39PM (#28297474)
> If the total deaths are not reported how can we compare?

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying we don't have to data to even determine whether or not there's a problem.

At the same time, you're willing to shutter the vast majority of the world's consumer computer hardware businesses over it?

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:46AM (#28300934)
Are you saying this isn't a problem? https://www.scmp.com/article/733389/struggle-foxconn-girl-wh...
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Friday August 27, 2021 @03:54PM (#28332309)
You're the one saying we don't have the data. And trying to backpedal your way out it by highlighting a single sob story.
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