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A comment on Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workplace.

Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:35PM (#28293783)
The factories with suicide nets to prevent "worker" suicide from awful conditions building Apple devices should be more than enough to shutdown Apple. Workplace issues in the US are the cherry on top of the putrid Apple sunday of human rights violations. Antitrust, spying and a litany of other wrongs should be considered before attempting change vs total liquidation.
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#28295832)
First, the rate of suicides at these factories is less than that of the background population in China.

Second, Apple is far from the only company that uses Foxconn for manufacturing. Other major customers of theirs are:

  * Acer
  * Amazon
  * Apple
  * Cisco
  * Dell
  * Google
  * HP
  * Intel
  * Lenovo
  * Microsoft
  * Motorola
  * Nintendo
  * Sony
Do you suggest we shut down all of these companies too?

Consider that Apple has publicly done more to ensure reasonable working conditions for their third-party suppliers than the rest of the companies on this list combined.

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:22PM (#28296237)
"Do you suggest we shut down all of these companies too?"

Yes. Allowing it because "everyone else is doing it" doesn't make it right.

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:52PM (#28296484)
See my first point for how that falls apart too.
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @08:37PM (#28296790)
Suicide stats are particularly odd in China, go to the statistics section:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China

Also, looking at:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

"The total number of Foxconn employee suicides is unknown."

If the total deaths are not reported how can we compare?

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @10:39PM (#28297474)
> If the total deaths are not reported how can we compare?

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying we don't have to data to even determine whether or not there's a problem.

At the same time, you're willing to shutter the vast majority of the world's consumer computer hardware businesses over it?

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:46AM (#28300934)
Are you saying this isn't a problem? https://www.scmp.com/article/733389/struggle-foxconn-girl-wh...
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by stouset on Friday August 27, 2021 @03:54PM (#28332309)
You're the one saying we don't have the data. And trying to backpedal your way out it by highlighting a single sob story.
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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by zthrowaway on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @04:31PM (#28294606)
Apple isn’t directly abusing Foxconn employees, Foxconn is. It’s a problem with the Chinese working culture and how easy it is there to abuse workers. They would have to move operations to a different country at this point.

That still doesn’t excuse the juicy hypocrisy.

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Re:Apple employees organizing for 'systemic change' in workp... by literallyaduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:17PM (#28295114)
Apple demanded the nets, meaning they were an active participant in the abuse: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1357833/Apple-respo...
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