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Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by belorn on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:05AM (#28288309)
Honda could decide that every new sold car in future will phone home at the press of the ignition and check if the driver should be allowed to start the car. The software techniques to turn every car sold into a leasing service is not difficult to implement.

If there is such software is inside your civic then no, you don't own it. Honda does. The word "ownership" is in part defined by the ability to exert control. If Honda controls who drives the car, where, how and when, the owner is indisputable Honda.

Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by chaorace on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:21AM (#28288486)
This is why right to repair laws are important. If you buy the hardware, you should implicitly have the right to modify the software in-so-far as it is physically possible given the hardware package purchased.

It's entirely within the rights of a company to lock down their hardware if that's how they sell it to you, but it should be equally within the rights of the hardware owner to bypass those "protections". If Honda decides to lock ignition behind an arbitrary clearance check (pulling a John Deere), they shouldn't be able to retaliate if that lock gets bypassed -- as long as that distinction exists, we will always be proper owners of the things that we buy.

Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by octopoc on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:54AM (#28288858)
> The word "ownership" is in part defined by the ability to exert control.

If we were to upgrade the saying "possession is 99% of ownership" to the digital ream, it would be something like "control is 99% of ownership." The distinction between possession and control is only relevant for smart devices.

Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by throw0101a on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:44AM (#28288750)
> Honda could decide that every new sold car in future will phone home at the press of the ignition and check if the driver should be allowed to start the car.

They may be mandated to do so:

> U.S. Senate bill seeks to require anti-drunk driving vehicle tech

* https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-bill-seeks-requir...

See also BMW and microtransactions:

* https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/2/21311332/bmw-in-car-purcha...

Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by shuckles on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @10:34AM (#28289386)
This is already the world we’re in with digital car keys that have been a thing since 2020. I still own my BMW which supports them.
Re:Apple’s crackdown on multicast by 8458e112e7b2 on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @11:13AM (#28289912)
Yes and they should consider doing that. After all, Trump supporters may drive their Civic to the Capitol. Our democracy dies in darkness!!!