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Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by Nextgrid on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:36AM (#28286016)
Something even more dangerous, if you have iCloud Drive enabled and open a (non-cloud) file in Numbers or Pages it'll save a copy in iCloud while you're editing it - it deletes it when you close it so you might even notice unless you go into iCloud on the web and check recently deleted files.
Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by Geee on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:48AM (#28286080)
Wow, that's straight up espionage. I bet they don't even delete the files, but just hide them from you.
Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by Nextgrid on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:09AM (#28286490)
I don't really assume malicious intent here - this is presumably "caching" the current unsaved changes on the cloud in case your application crashes or something. But the fact that it's not obvious at all is a major problem. There's also no way to selectively disable this behavior - if you want to use iCloud Drive for some documents you need to put up with this.
Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by karmakaze on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:24AM (#28287336)
> I don't really assume malicious intent here - this is presumably "caching"

This doesn't seem like thinking critically. Do you not imagine that Apple, the size they are, with all their lawyers take a decision like this seriously? It's not like a developer unilaterally decided that they were going to make this as a feature without levels of management and execs deciding that this was okay.

Assuming incompetence rather than malice only applies when there's no previous behaviour suggesting the contrary. The only explanation I can think of for this attitude, is that if we like using Apple products, we somehow have to 'make it ok' to ourselves. I'm at least able to separate the experience with using a product with the aspect of how that product is used by its manufacturer.

Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by spullara on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @12:56PM (#28291559)
Do you really imagine that there is any kind of oversight on development like this? Levels of management getting involved in some random feature? Very unrealistic.

The requirement said to not lose the customers work. Everything else was on the development team most likely.

Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by karmakaze on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:22AM (#28302054)
There are narrow areas where incompetence could explain Apple's failures. There are others that I don't buy, after the incident where non-Apple branded devices were intentionally made to work degraded in a plausibly innocent way by memo decree. With privacy being such a high differentiator, allowing iCloud to be used arbitrarily for any feature without oversight assumes gross incompetence at all levels.
Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by sudosysgen on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @08:00AM (#28287647)
You can just cache activity to a local duplicate file. It's not a new idea. There's no reason to do it on the cloud.
Re:Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully ac... by diggernet on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:06PM (#28296101)
In fact, doing it on the cloud for a local file is a really bad idea. Some of us use our phones in areas with poor connectivity.