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Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by RobinL on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:15AM (#28266132)
The video argues that, with current battery technology, to achieve the same range as a current semi, most of the weight of the truck will be batteries, leaving little weight for cargo (3 tonnes relative to 19 tonnes).

I've noticed there is a common theme to arguments against electrification: that they assume it's necessary for an electric vehicle needs to match all the capabilities of a fossil fuel equivalent. i.e. trade offs are not possible.

Why can't the truck just have shorter range (and thus more cargo capacity) and charge more regularly?

If there was proper carbon taxing, the cost of the driver waiting around for charging would be mitigated by the savings made from avoiding carbon tax.

Similarly with electric cars, I'm happy to stop on a very long trip for charging if it means my environmental impact is significantly lower.

I'm assuming the maths in the video is correct. The key figure seems to be that you need 20kg of batteries to achieve the range of 1kg of petrol. Which sounds plausible, but I'm no expert.

Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by itsoktocry on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:19AM (#28266162)
>Why can't the truck just have shorter range (and thus more cargo capacity) and charge more regularly?

This seems inevitable in the short term. But then, the trade-offs tilt less in favour of electrification. For example, shorter ranges likely means more trucks, and these trucks will likely be heavier and do more damage to roads.

Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by chakhs on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:26AM (#28266224)
Cargo transport needs long distance and big capacity. You don't need those in cars so they're not comparable. The video is not against electrification, it just argues it doesn't work with cargo transport, it is very inefficient.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by rascul on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:58AM (#28266521)
> Cargo transport needs long distance and big capacity.

In the US, "Approximately 50 percent of the weight and 37 percent of the value of goods were moved less than 100 miles between origin and destination in 2015" according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics [0]. This is well within the range of the Tesla Semi. I'm not sure the capacity of the Tesla Semi, though.

[0] https://www.bts.dot.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/docs/FFF_201...

Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by jimkleiber on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:17AM (#28266151)
Or just swap out the batteries on the way. I think someone on here once suggested to do so at existing weigh stations in the US.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by twothamendment on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:31AM (#28266273)
Swappable battery packs seem like a good idea. It might even be faster than waiting to pump 100 gallons of fuel.

I'm thinking existing truck stops would have a better chance of working than the weigh stations. let's leave the government it, they are barely competent at weighing a truck. Some trucks might not see a weigh station for a week. Some stations are nothing more than a pull out on the side of the road.

Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by jimkleiber on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:31PM (#28272064)
Ah good point, I like that idea, especially as it utilizes that infrastructure and doesn't make them disappear when there's a transition to electric.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by mcguire on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:46AM (#28266411)
Does the Tesla semi have hot-swappable battery packs?
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by aurizon on Sunday August 22, 2021 @12:00PM (#28266538)
Not as far as I know, but a standard may emerge, as there is not way that an interstate system can operate if they all had hot swaps for each maker of trucks. I am sure they makers will develop a standard if swapping wins this game.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by foobiekr on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:17AM (#28266150)
The history of the entire industries that have a perfectly functional (more functional) alternative re-factoring themselves to match some new offering is quite poor.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by RobinL on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:20AM (#28266170)
I agree that industries will not do this voluntarily. They will just chase a profit. Climate change is a market failure so we need governments to change incentives to make it in industries' interest to change. A carbon tax is one option.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by mcguire on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:48AM (#28266419)
In this case, not matching the range of existing trucks means that you need to have more trucks and more drivers.
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by l0k3ndr on Sunday August 22, 2021 @11:29AM (#28266246)
It can be used to transport battery while using it?
Re:The Tesla Semi Is an Engineering Failure by avereveard on Sunday August 22, 2021 @05:09PM (#28269634)
who pays the driver during the recharging? The truck absolutely need to match the driver endurance, so that recharges can be planned during drivers downtime. The trucks are expensive, sure, but an asset. Drivers are the cost.