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Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by rsj_hn on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:37PM (#28239675)
What is going on is that reality is slapping some techno-utopians in the face and they are shocked, shocked, that governments are more powerful that businesses.

That's not at all what the lefty geeks learned by reading Chomsky or what the righty geeks learned by reading Heinlein.

All along these people thought algorithms and protocols (e.g. bitcoin and TCP/IP) would somehow be a powerful force that would cause governments to fall on their knees and let people evade government control. After all, it's distributed! You can't stop it!

Well, that was all very foolish, because they mistook government uninterest in something for the equivalent of government being powerless to control it, and when governments did start taking an interest in something, it turns out that protocols and algorithms are no defense against the realities of political power. It is to the field of politics, and not the field of technology, that one must turn in order to increase collective freedoms. Individual freedom can be increased by obtaining money or making lots of friends, but collective freedom cannot be increased this way, it can only be increased by organizing and influencing government.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by JunkDNA on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:03PM (#28239935)
Bingo. I wish I could upvote this comment more. All the geeks get distracted by words like “cloud” or “virtual” and forget that all this stuff we depend on has a physical presence at some point in the real world. That physical presence necessitates humans interacting with other humans. Humans interacting with humans falls squarely in the “things governments poke their noses into” bucket. It’s like the early days of Napster when people were all hot for “peer to peer”, as if that tech was some magic that was going to make record labels and governments throw up their hands over copyrights.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by hnechochamber on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:13PM (#28240015)
Dont worry, ill fix all this by creating a unique javascript framework that will change the world.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by danudey on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:58PM (#28240381)
Maybe we could make this framework future-proof by using blockchains? Somehow? Maybe it can use blockchains, or it can be stored on a blockchain, or maybe both at the same time. Surely that will help society in some nonspecific, ambiguous manner.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by delaaxe on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:32PM (#28240620)
Remember the people who, decades after the invention of the Internet, kept on insisting that it was useless and only for porn addicts?

Remember the people who, after the invention of the phone, insisted that it was a nice trick but probably only useful for a few businessmen with dictation needs?

Yeah, they all had to change their tone at some point, under the shame of having been wrong for so long.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by zymhan on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:02PM (#28240420)
No, we just need another anonymous distributed networking/storage/socialmedia/coffeemaker protocol to save us
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:38PM (#28240251)
> All along these people thought algorithms and protocols (e.g. bitcoin and TCP/IP) would somehow be a powerful force that would cause governments to fall on their knees and let people evade government control. After all, it's distributed! You can't stop it!

But that's the underlying problem here. Apple isn't a standardized protocol or a distributed system. It's a monolithic chokepoint.

You can't do this with a PC. Dell and HP don't retain the ability to push software to hardware they don't own after they've already sold it and against the will of the person who does own it.

People pointed out that this would happen. Now it's happening. Qué sorpresa.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by danudey on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:55PM (#28240360)
Dell ships laptops with tons of Dell software, as well as tons of third-party software. Do you really think that, if they wanted to, they couldn't just update one of those pieces of software to enable remote installs?

Hell, Dell has shipped more than one bug that allowed attackers administrator-level access or worse, I wouldn't put it past them to come up with some kind of asinine feature that not only lets them push new software/drivers/whatever to the machine, but lets attackers do so as well.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:07PM (#28240464)
> Do you really think that, if they wanted to, they couldn't just update one of those pieces of software to enable remote installs?

If they did that, people would wipe their device and not reinstall the Dell software. Many people do this already as soon as they buy the device.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by danudey on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:57PM (#28240373)
> All along these people thought algorithms and protocols (e.g. bitcoin and TCP/IP) would somehow be a powerful force that would cause governments to fall on their knees and let people evade government control. After all, it's distributed! You can't stop it!

The internet and its design and associated protocols were designed to work around external forces - a nuclear attack or natural disaster. It was never designed to be government-proof. People who thought that would be the case were being idealistic and naive.

If you want real change in the world, as you said, you have to affect the political world, which is an option available to any citizen or corporation who can spend millions on lobbyists.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by dweekly on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:04PM (#28239944)
(Gestures at the community of people who smugly use the word "fiat" as commensurate with obsolete)

Not sure everyone has gotten the memo yet.