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Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by endisneigh on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:18PM (#28236582)
Microsoft, Facebook and Google. More depending on what services you use
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by biesnecker on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:19PM (#28236605)
They're not actively scanning your phone, they're actively scanning files you send them.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by KallDrexx on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:35PM (#28239663)
That's not actually answering the question in the GP about why this is different.

Photos people send me to my Android are automatically sent through 3rd parties, either through MMS, Facebook messenger, Google Photos, or One Drive. Photos arriving on my device are almost guaranteed to be uploaded to both OneDrive and Google Photos based on how defaults of Android phones are setup.

So someone could already send hash collisions my way (purposely or inadvertently) and authoritarian governments already have access in their respective clouds (at least China does).

And yet, there are not stories of people being falsely accused of child porn due to PhotoDNA hash collisions.

Why does "on device for apple devices only" change the calculus.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by raxxorrax on Friday August 20, 2021 @03:53AM (#28243707)
Why waste a resource like that and throw them in prison when you have compromising material? That would be stupid. Epstein was probably a high society pimp and there probably was enough evidence for convictions. That wouldn't have happened if it didn't get public.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by endisneigh on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:20PM (#28236612)
That’s the same as what Apple is going to do - scan right before sending to iCloud
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by danuker on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:35PM (#28236806)
The scanning on the device before the upload makes it easier to do surveillance.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by WesolyKubeczek on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:44PM (#28236924)
The same as what Apple is saying it's going to do, there's a difference.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by knodi123 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:50PM (#28237733)
Man, wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature to commit these horrible secret privacy violations with deeply evil ethical problems?

You don't even have to implement the feature. All you need is really good proof that you were asked to, and now your job at Apple is secure, along with a huge raise, for years if not for life. Something commensurate with what you and they both know they would lose in the PR damage and possible EU fines.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by vineyardmike on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:57PM (#28238573)
> wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature

Also, they'd probably not use a Cupertino developer. I'm sure a dev in a nation with a lot less rights is easier for this sort of work. Find a nation where the protections for employees are worse and good jobs harder to find.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by vineyardmike on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:55PM (#28238559)
> possible EU fines

Until the EU makes it a legal requirement. Which they're getting close to

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by endisneigh on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:47PM (#28236959)
If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this. I don't really get it. Either you trusted Apple before this and you continue to, or you didn't before, and continue not to. If it's the later, then you shouldn't be using Apple services.
Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:38PM (#28237553)
> If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this.

Not without the risk of it being discovered (either through a leak or because someone analyzes the software on the phone), and then having a much bigger scandal on hand.

Re:ImageNet contains naturally occurring Apple NeuralHash co... by ipaddr on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:47PM (#28237699)
None of those are scannig your phone. None of them aside from google even sell a phone.

Everyone suspected they were scanning images for this and a number of other things on their services.