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Re:61% of Americans paid no income taxes in 2020 by coralreef on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:59AM (#28235501)
No it's not a thesis, it's how modern government (and accounting) works.

Back in the day when money was a hard asset that could not be easily created (copper, silver, gold), you paid your coin dues to the regional king, and in turn he paid for security/services over the land. That was taxation.

We eventually stored our precious metal in banks, and traded paper coupons representing those metals. We formed governments, who decided one day to revoke the ability for people to redeem their paper coupons for their gold. Now we still had to pay taxes with paper money, but it was no longer attached to gold's value.

The government/central bank now had the ability to create money at will, and does not physically need to rely on tax dollars coming in: it can create the money, pay for services, and collect taxes later. If it spends more than it collects, it has a deficit. This deficit can be funded by creating new money (in turn devaluing it, aka inflation), or by borrowing money that already exists (raising money through bonds).

So every year, when you wire your tax money to the government, bits of data are simply written to a database, indicating money removed from your account. There is no physical transfer of assets to the government; remember, the money that was paper is now digital. Money is numbers in a database.

Management of money at the macro level is now just balancing accounting inflows and outflows, surplus and deficit. Debt can be infinitely be paid off (create more money) at the consequence of devaluation of course.

Re:61% of Americans paid no income taxes in 2020 by Turing_Machine on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:50PM (#28236179)
> So every year, when you wire your tax money to the government, bits of data are simply written to a database, indicating money removed from your account. There is no physical transfer of assets to the government

But there is.The government uses the tax money (plus extra money that they create out of nothing) to buy goods and services. Lots of them. Physical assets such as roads. F-35 fighters. Aircraft carriers. Schools. Services such as file clerks. Accountants. Public health doctors.

All of those things represent increased demand, which in turn result in net price increases (i.e., inflation). The money goes right back into circulation, rather than being removed from it, as you claim.

Re:61% of Americans paid no income taxes in 2020 by coralreef on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:09PM (#28236449)
Yes, the value replacement is there. And yes, tax dollars help "pay" for services.

What I mean by "physical transfer" is literally that if you mailed a brick of cash to the federal government, they would just burn it.

Taxation = money out of the system

Money printing/spending = money into the system

The difference causes inflation or deflation.

Re:61% of Americans paid no income taxes in 2020 by Turing_Machine on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:26PM (#28241757)
When, in recent memory, has the amount taken out in taxes exceeded the amount spent?

Ever?

You are arguing a hypothetical case where the government takes in more in taxes than it spends, thus creating a trend toward deflation.

But that never happens. Like, ever.

Re:61% of Americans paid no income taxes in 2020 by coralreef on Friday August 20, 2021 @10:56AM (#28246759)
The government could spend less and tax more, but this is politically and socially unpopular, so unlikely to happen.

But its not like its not possible. Some countries have fiscal surpluses. Canada had a surplus in 2018 [1].

I don't see what I'm arguing, and none of it is hypothetical, this is just basic economic theory. It is possible for government spending to be financed by borrowing rather than money creation, resulting in no change in the monetary base. Those mechanics I'm less educated about.

[1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/201118/dq201...