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Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by wyldfire on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:06AM (#28234762)
> but if it truly is on device, it still technically can be E2EE

What do you think this software does when it finds a matching hash entry? Toss a notification to ask you nicely to pop round your nearest FBI office?

What meaning does 'end-to-end' have anymore if this applies? If Apple wrote software on-device to forward a copy of all messages prior to encryption to iCloud for 'backup', would it still be end-to-end? What if they sent it to an AdTech firm to index for interesting terms that match products you should be pitched? The software in this case is still Apple's, running on-device.

Re:Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for s... by ollien on Thursday August 19, 2021 @05:01PM (#28239320)
E2EE implies it's encrypted between the two parties exchanging messages, which it still is. I'm not suggesting that this isn't an immoral circumvention of the system, but it's still certainly end to end encrypted between the two clients, given that the scanning is performed on device, and not in transit.