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Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by robertoandred on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:35PM (#28229721)
LEO is not alerted automatically, where’d you get that idea?
Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by silisili on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:27AM (#28230635)
They'd more or less have to be. Well, not necessarily 'police', but NCMEC.

I did work in automating abuse detection years back, and the US govt clearly tells you are not to open/confirm suspected, reported, or happened upon cp. There's a lot of other seemingly weird laws and rules around it.

Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by robertoandred on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:21AM (#28234163)
Those laws don’t apply if it’s part of the reporting process. Apple’s stated that they do a manual to decide whether to send a report to NCMEC or not, just like other companies do.
Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by silisili on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:56AM (#28235457)
Of course they do. If they didn't, every seedy pedo would be in the process of making a "report." It's probably also why Apple is using 'visual derivatives' for confirmation, rather than the image, though I can't find info on exactly how low resolution 'visual derivatives' are.

It is of course possible that companies may get some special sign off from LE/NCMEC to do this kind of work - I won't argue with you on that as I truly don't know. I can just tell you my company did not, and was very harshly told how to proceed despite knowing the nature of what we were trying to accomplish. But, we weren't anywhere near Apple big.

I remember chatting with our legal team, who made it explicit that laws didn't to cover carve outs - basically 'seeing' was illegal. But as you can imagine, police didn't come busting down our doors for happening upon it and reporting it. If you have links to law where this is not the case, I'll gladly eat crow. I've never looked myself and relied on what the lawyers had said.

Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by hypothesis on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:08AM (#28230228)
They will be if you collide a low-res image that resembles CSAM.

Why would person doing manual review risk his job in case if he’s unsure? Naturally he will just play it safe and report images.

Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by ec109685 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:24AM (#28230303)
Not resembles. The adversarial image has to match a private perceptual hash function of the same CSAM image that the NeuralHash function matched before a human reviewer ever looks at it.
Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by onepunchedman on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:24AM (#28230619)
Do you have any material on this private function?
Re:Show HN: Neural-hash-collider – Find target hash collisio... by ec109685 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:34AM (#28231028)
Not beyond the documents Apple has shared. Presumably it will be kept that way given it prevents an adversarial attack against it.