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Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by GeekyBear on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:14PM (#28227264)
ON YOUR DEVICE (where it's encrypted in a way that Apple can't read until the 30 image threshold is crossed) is more private than doing the same scan on server where a single false positive can be misused by anyone who can get a subpoena.
Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by kelnos on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:16PM (#28229955)
A poster upthread made an analogy that I really like. Sure, like all analogies, it's imperfect, but I think it strikes at why many people are uneasy about this.

Let's say the TSA were to install air-travel-contraband scanners in everyone's homes, but promise only to scan things that are being put into your luggage as you prepare to go to the airport. And let's say that this became a requirement if you want to board a plane.

That's what this feels like. I'm fine with Google scanning through everything in my GMail account, or everything I've uploaded to GDrive, or created in GDocs. That stuff is on their servers, unencrypted, and I explicitly put it there.

But I'm sure as hell not going to let Google install something on my laptop (or phone!) that lets them look at my stuff, even if they pinky-promise that they'll only scan stuff that I intend to upload.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by mightybyte on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @06:40PM (#28228047)
> ON YOUR DEVICE (where it's encrypted in a way that Apple can't read until the 30 image threshold is crossed)

First of all, you have to be able to read it to do the comparison that can increment the counter to 30. So regardless of whether it is or is not encrypted there, they're accessing the unencrypted plaintext to calculate the hash.

And yes, on my device is definitively more private than on someone else's server--just like in my bedside drawer is more private than in an office I rent in a co-working space.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by heavyset_go on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @06:20PM (#28227874)
> where it's encrypted in a way that Apple can't read

This doesn't matter because Apple can read iCloud data, including iCloud Photos. They hold the encryption keys, and they hand over customers' data for about 150,000 users/accounts a year in response to requests from the government[1].

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by GeekyBear on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:03PM (#28229524)
Of course Apple can read iCloud data.

How do you think Google and Microsoft scan everything in your account? They all have the capability to read your cloud data.

What Apple cannot read are the results of your device scanning your iCloud Photos. Those results are encrypted and stay that way until your device finds 30 matches for known kiddie porn.

Once you pass the threshhold, Apple gets the decryption key and a human review is triggered to make sure there weren't just 30 false positives.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by pasquinelli on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:18PM (#28227312)
what kind of encryption can't be decrypted until some threshold has been crossed?

maybe you mean to say that apple says they won't read it until that threshold has been crossed.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:46PM (#28227588)
> what kind of encryption can't be decrypted until some threshold has been crossed?

The kind Apple has built. You should read the docs. This is literally how it works.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by mightybyte on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @06:37PM (#28228025)
This is the same company that saved the disk encryption password as the password hint. You really trust them to not screw this up when the stakes are that it could ruin your life and/or land you in jail? I'm simply not ok with that.
Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @08:04PM (#28228789)
How exactly do you imagine a bug in this will land you in jail?
Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by mightybyte on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:12AM (#28232450)
Ever heard of planted evidence?
Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by zepto on Thursday August 19, 2021 @04:33PM (#28239007)
You haven’t explained how evidence could be planted. That is what you are being asked.
Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by GeekyBear on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:25PM (#28227388)
No, I'm saying they designed the system so that they don't have the key to decypt the scan result "vouchers" until after the device tells them that the 30 image threshold is crossed.

>Apple is unable to process individual vouchers; instead, all the properties of our system mean that it’s only once an account has accumulated a collection of vouchers associated with illegal, known CSAM images that we are able to learn anything about the user’s account.

Now, why to do it is because, as you said, this is something that will provide that detection capability while preserving user privacy.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-p...

Meanwhile, a single false positive from an on server scan is open to malicious use by anyone who can get a subpeona.

Re:Apple defends anti-child abuse imagery tech after claims ... by telside on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:49PM (#28227615)
The lady doth protest too much, methinks

Just going to respond to every post on here with these absurd points? K apple guy.