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Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by randomdata on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:15AM (#28222271)
> I think people are just getting a little too worked up over this whole thing.

They aren't, but the blame is misguided. This isn't a problem with Apple. What is Apple going to do if they do detect something identified as CSAM on your device? Refuse to sell you another? Oh well. The real worry is what other parties will do if they get ahold of the information. That is what needs to be fixed. Apple is exposing the underlying problem, not causing the problem themselves.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by scoopertrooper on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:25AM (#28222486)
Apple have said what they're going to do. If the number of hash hits reaches 30, then they'll scale the image down and send it off to their manual review team. If they confirm it's CP, then they call the police.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by randomdata on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:39AM (#28222780)
Exactly. They're not going do much of anything. It is what happens after the final step outlined that actually concerns people, and that is where the real problem lies. Apple is simply exposing the problem; or perhaps more accurately bringing the problem we all understand exists into the limelight. Had Apple not implemented this feature, or implemented it differently (scanning server-side, for example), the problem would still be there.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by scoopertrooper on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:48AM (#28222950)
If a pedophile takes their computer (loaded with CP) to a repair shop and they find CP they call the police.

If a pedophile uploads CP to the internet and the host finds CP they call the police.

Both seem like reasonable responses to me.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by cartoonworld on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:41PM (#28225423)
Totally reasonable response. I would like Apple to notify me so that I can call the police after my threshold of one NCMEC and other child-safety organization image identifier matches on my personal computer systems.

This will violate my IT device usage policy! Apple is not my IT department!! We have a ZERO TOLERANCE IT device usage policy. By not calling the local police department after one violation, we violate the policy. There is also a form which must be signed before HR (Girlfriend) so they can be present on the call to LE or else be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by randomdata on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:54AM (#28223049)
Again, it is what happens after that which has people worried. Apple is simply bringing attention to it.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by scoopertrooper on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:46PM (#28223816)
The police investigate the matter and a case might be brought to trial?
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by randomdata on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:47PM (#28223834)
As it turns out, people don't like having to deal with police, nor do they like the idea of potentially losing a trial (especially in the court of public opinion).
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by scoopertrooper on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:20PM (#28229625)
Then it sounds like you should be arguing for for a repeal of CP laws. A controversial stance.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by randomdata on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:47PM (#28229798)
I have no feelings towards the topic. I am merely summarizing what the consensus is writing on places like HN towards what Apple is doing.

The general sentiment does appear to be that the laws are misguided. That does not necessarily mean repeal is necessary. Augmentation may also provide a solution that satisfies their concerns. However, that is moving well beyond the topic at hand. There is no indication I can find that some kind of change is controversial. There is clear worry about the status quo based on the potential outcome of what information Apple may glean.

What remains is that Apple isn't anyone's real concern. An inanimate corporation can't do much to you. Apple is simply bringing attention to what actually concerns people, which is something that was already there all along.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by nottorp on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:03PM (#28223195)
Again, how can you verify that's what they'll do?