Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model

Re:Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model by lumost on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:50AM (#28221776)

The law gets debatable here. The warrant can ultimately be served only to the owner/responsible party for the system. If apple decides that they own all iPhones, a claim they've loosely made for a long time re Flash etc. Then they could be served a warrant on the device.

If they just sold the device to someone, then the police would have to issue a warrant to that individual. My understanding is that as an individual your options are either to comply with the warrant or commit a separate crime destroying the evidence or refusing the warrant.

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Re:Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model by snowwrestler on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:00AM (#28221965)

Apple does not claim they own all iPhones.

The legal principle is the same, actually. The law says you can install whatever software you want on an iPhone and Apple cannot stop you (jailbreaking is legal). But the law cannot force Apple to make it easy for you to do so.

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Re:Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model by ethbr0 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:48PM (#28224696)

I haven't kept us with the latest cases, but I'm not sure where it falls on app-based SaaS.

I.e. If I use an app, on a system in which app updates are possible, which encrypts my data locally and stores it on their cloud, then the owner/responsible party for the app is...?

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