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Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by criticaltinker on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @11:02PM (#28217341)
This article is from 2014 - but definitely still relevant. It contains some interesting facts and commentary:

> Although many Californians think that population growth is the main driver of water demand statewide, it actually is agriculture. In an average year, farmers use 80 percent of the water consumed by people and businesses — 34 million of 43 million acre-feet diverted from rivers, lakes and groundwater, according to the state Department of Water Resources

> Bill Patzert, a research scientist and oceanographer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, says that the West is in a 20-year drought that began in 2000. He cites the fact that a phenomenon known as a “negative Pacific decadal oscillation” is underway — and that historically has been linked to extreme high-pressure ridges that block storms.

> Such events, which cause pools of warm water in the North Pacific Ocean and cool water along the California coast, are not the result of global warming, Patzert said.

Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by tablespoon on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:17AM (#28217730)
>> Although many Californians think that population growth is the main driver of water demand statewide, it actually is agriculture. In an average year, farmers use 80 percent of the water consumed by people and businesses — 34 million of 43 million acre-feet diverted from rivers, lakes and groundwater, according to the state Department of Water Resources

I feel that whenever people bring up that fact, there's an implicit point that water problems should be solved by reducing agriculture, but doesn't California's agriculture industry produce a huge fraction of the high-value fruit and vegetables that people eat?

Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by ashtonkem on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:32AM (#28217803)
Yes, it does. But the issue is also related to changes in what people eat. My understanding is that the increased demand for almonds has been particularly problematic for the region due to how water intensive it is, for example.

What’s not clear to me is whether or not we have to grow our fruits and vegetables in California. Certainly one of the issues is that for huge swaths of our farmland elsewhere we tend to grow mono crops which are often inedible to humans (such as most of our corn). Perhaps we could grow more fruit and edible vegetables there?

Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by bamboozled on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:49AM (#28217879)
Is there really a huge demand for almonds ?
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by dmckeon on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:15AM (#28217975)
https://text.npr.org/1028452988

> California’s $6 billion almond industry, which produces roughly 80% of the world's almonds.

> California almond production grew from 370 million pounds (nearly 168 million kilograms) in 1995 to a record 3.1 billion pounds (1.4 billion kilograms) in 2020, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. During that period, land planted with almond trees grew from 756 square miles (1,958 square kilometers) to 2,500 square miles (6,475 square kilometers).

Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by bamboozled on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @06:06AM (#28219314)
Ok, thanks ;)
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by travgary on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:11AM (#28217959)
Dairy farms use far more water the focus on almonds is a result of dairy industry propaganda.
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by rasz on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:33AM (#28217812)
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by tablespoon on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:46AM (#28218295)
Maybe it wouldn't affect California's GDP much if agriculture were cut back, but it would certainly affect my quality of life if produce became much more scarce as a result.
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by colechristensen on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:50AM (#28217886)
This is one good thing to point out, there are very many periodic cycles which affect weather patterns. It is important to not yell “global warming” each time a change is noticed but to actually try to understand what is happening and the inputs to those results.
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by yalogin on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @11:43PM (#28217546)
Is growth also increasing farm sizes and their water consumption? That will be interesting to understand.
Re:CA drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 ye... by colechristensen on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:47AM (#28217862)
Much of the ag production is for export from the state, local population growth is probably not strongly correlated.