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Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:32PM (#28212532)
One important restriction on mailing is that you CANNOT mail fertile ants through USPS. Which means that all of those ant farms you see being sold to kids? You pay money, and get some sterile workers who are guaranteed to die pretty fast, leaving an unhappy kid.

If you want a real ant farm, you need to either collect ants locally, or buy ants in person from someone who did themselves. And you'd better known the rules if you want to cross state lines with your ants.

(Source, I have a teenager who loooves ants and knows everything about them. He now has multiple species of ants that he keeps.)

Re:Mailable Live Animals by bonnie76 on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @02:21PM (#28213125)
Tell your teenager the world needs more people like him if we’re going to save the worlds insects. We need more entomologist.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by wincy on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @03:14PM (#28213688)
I don’t know, insects have been doing pretty well for a long time, and only one large group of insects that we know of has ever gone extinct, even during the absolutely horrific Permian-Triassic extinction event.

I know as humans our impulse is to “do something about it”, but I think insects are gonna be fine.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#28214313)
Insects may do fine, but individual species are another story.

For example through most of Los Angeles, if you see an ant it is probably an Argentine ant (Linepithema humile). Over my son's life, the variety of native ants to be found near me has visibly declined.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by dexterdog on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:49PM (#28214684)
That's probably not so much climate change as it is invading foreign species.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @05:11PM (#28214899)
And the reduction in flying insects documented in https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... is unlikely to be climate change either. Nor is https://www.epa.gov/pollinator-protection/colony-collapse-di....

Not everything is about climate change.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by markdown on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @05:26PM (#28215056)
What isn't about climate change soon will be.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by ryanianian on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:01PM (#28214180)
Sure insects in general will be "fine", but ecosystems will have to be rebuilt over time with the different dynamics.

Take bees/pollinators. Another species could evolve or otherwise step in to fill the gap, but it could well result in many other plant and animal species also going extinct in the process.

Similar scenario with climate change. The earth will continue to exist and there will continue to be weather. But that weather could be a lot more inhospitable to our very narrow definition of habitable.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by onemoresoop on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#28214320)
Yes, I know global warming doesn't mean the end of the (human) world as many suspect and are skeptical about. Humans will find a way to survive in special habitats and in much smaller numbers. What's at stake is the current civilization. With civilization's collapse we're bound to repeat this progress to self-destruction cycle.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by Abishek_Muthian on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @04:00AM (#28218693)
And I appreciated the parent (pun not intended) for being interested in kid's uncommon hobby.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by raxxorrax on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @03:32AM (#28218539)
The ants in my garden can probably repopulate the whole world. At least it feels that way.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by ApolloFortyNine on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @02:07PM (#28212963)
Actually there are two species that were made legal to ship in the US last year. More information (and for sale) here. [0]

[0] https://tarheelants.com/pages/ant-queen-and-colony-adoption

Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:08PM (#28214265)
Awesome.

I wish they were legal a decade ago when we were trying to figure out how to buy ant farms...

Re:Mailable Live Animals by vishbar on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:35PM (#28212570)
That is really interesting! I never had an ant farm, and I'm glad I didn't given what you've said.

Are ants similar to bees in that there's one egg-laying "queen" that you have to gather, or can you just gather a collection of individuals from a colony?

Your kid probably already knows about this, but have him check out the YouTuber AntsCanada. I'm not particularly into ants but I find his videos fascinating.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by JulianMorrison on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:52PM (#28212763)
Ants have queens. Ants are a kind of flightless wasp, they have a lot of commonalities with the wasp/bee family.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:54PM (#28212785)
My kid has been aware of AntsCanada for a long time, and has purchased lots of supplies from them.

Yes, most ants are similar to bees in that way. In fact ants and bees are very closely related. But a few kinds of ants (for example the invasive Argentine ants), can have multiple queens in a colony that cooperate with each other.

The reason for this rule is the ease with which ants become invasive species, and how much damage they can do.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by hashkb on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @02:00PM (#28212875)
Does your kid know about SimAnt?
Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @04:06PM (#28214233)
He's at school so I can't just ask him.

But if it comes to ants, I'm willing to bet money that he knows it.

I remember being at a bug fair with him a few years back. There was a grad student with a display including some fossilized ants. My son came over, looked, identified the genus, began pointing out the identifying characteristics and named multiple related current species. The grad student's jaw dropped open. The only things that the grad student knew which my son didn't was how old the fossil was and where it was found.

And here is some fun trivia. If you look, between the thorax (where the legs grow) and the gaster (the bulb at the end), there is a very, very skinny petiole. The only food that can pass through that and keep the ant alive is high energy fluid. So a major problem for every species of ant is how to turn the world around into such a fluid so that they can eat it.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by Jun8 on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @03:34PM (#28213898)
Yep, my son did buy his first colony from a local college kid, through the GAN Project: https://www.antscanada.com/queen-ants-for-sale/. Since he was away, his mom brought the colony to us, we met discreetly at a library, felt a bit like a spy transaction :-)
Re:Mailable Live Animals by ethn on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @02:14PM (#28213046)
This whole time I thought I did something wrong.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by raxxorrax on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @03:30AM (#28218528)
Huh, this is certainly legal in Europe. You get colonies with a queen and some workers, even non-native species. Always asked myself if that wouldn't facilitate invasions of foreign species into the eco system because ants are pretty apt at escaping.
Re:Mailable Live Animals by btilly on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:13PM (#28223344)
That probably varies by country.

I'm familiar with US laws because I live under them.

Re:Mailable Live Animals by kelnos on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @06:36PM (#28215587)
Can you ship fertile ants through UPS or Fedex?