> you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat.

That's because you're drawing conclusions from data that are not that far off from "the earth is flat".

Claims about Delta being "more infectious" are the same claim that was made for all the others. Dig into how they try to calculate that and you'll find the exact type of models that have repeatedly failed so far.

Remember: the UK released most of its restrictions, including masks and lockdowns in a so-called "freedom day". Experts said the country was performing a dangerous experiment on the entire world. Cases started plunging just three days later. To compare people pointing out the proven, beyond any doubt unreliability of claims about COVID to flat earthers shows just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.

> just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.

Yes, I agree that COVID denialism and antivax feelings are this way. :)

Most Republican states in the US dropped restrictions last year and cases aren't skyrocketing. People just don't talk about them.

Cases aren't skyrocketing? Have you...looked at the South recently?

> recently

So you're confirming what I said? "Last year" isn't "recently", meaning the current rise has nothing to do with dropping restrictions.

More than anything else it looks like it's fully seasonal, with timing of the the drops and rises this year matching last year pretty closely regardless of restrictions.

I site based on tech and science and you are confused why the majority or pro vax? Did you ever consider you just flat out wrong?

yeah, maybe just maybe it's because you are spreading nonsense on a forum that likes the thoughts to be backed by evidence and not wild speculation and spurious conclusions. reflect.

honestly if you weren't on the internet you'd just be that weird guy at the bar spouting conspiracy theories and blaming the "man" but instead you're here on an international forum doing the same with the same "weight" as some industry titans and other thought leaders.

Stick with it. If the opposing voices leave then it will get even more one sided. Just save up karma for the rainy days.

If you attack others like this on HN again we will ban you, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are.

Even in a wretched, dumb, and hellish flamewar like this one, this comment stands out as crossing the line. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How can you sleep at night? There are literally millions of dead and you are letting these right wing trolls opposed to medical care run freely over this site behind this fig leaf of civility.

Five minutes ago on the front page there was a post about the new NYC executive order with multiple comments calling for the murder of scientists. Not saying history will remember them badly, calling for their murder. This is sick, and you’re helping it. It is time to stop coddling these people who are actively trying to prolong the pandemic.

Every day on this site I see dozens of comments that are pushing a lethal agenda of preventing common sense public health actions like vaccination and masking. Making your predominant concern enforcement of tone is enabling mass death. Normally the moderation on HN is pretty good and evenhanded, but on this topic for some reason you seem to be pretty okay with people calling for the deaths of innocents as long as they do it with nice words. It has been ALMOST TWO YEARS! Every step of the way these people have tried to poison the well of public discourse. First it was a liberal hoax, then it was going away any day, then it was the flu, then it was “it’s only in blue cities so let it kill them”, then it was China did it, then it was lockdowns are bad, masks are bad, now it is vaccines are bad. The constant drumbeat of bad faith opposition to getting this catastrophe under control needs to stop - how can you not be exhausted by it?

Thanks for your kind words I guess. Please remember your comment and reflect on it in 10 years when the politicians will have stole all of your freedoms and you won't be able to do anything in life without being tracked, judged and denied.

You’re twenty years too late for this sentiment. You’re already tracked constantly by everything around you. The vaccines are not a useful method of tracking or control. Computers and cameras are much better.

I was speaking about the QRCODES which are mandatory to vote, go to the hospital, shopping mall and restaurants in France.

My god the insanity here is wildly out of control. As he has pointed out, vaccines don't stop transmission in any way, so people's individual choices about whether to get vaccinated or not is absolutely not making them "killing people" or "murderers". If you really want to go there, consider that people are definitely being killed by the vaccines themselves, that is proven beyond doubt now. So it's easy to turn that around and say those trying to push vaccines on people who don't need them are the "murderers".

4.5 million dead people disagree with your conspiracy.

No one is getting killed from the vaccines. It’s rounding error.

This is a ridiculous comment.

1. Vaccines do stop transmission because they make it less likely your internal systems will get infected

2. Vaccines also prevent hospitalizations very effectively

3. Known side effects from the vaccine are very, very low. Much lower than the risk of getting COVID, for the same health outcomes.

4. Getting COVID (the bad outcome caused by the virus) has some chance at Long Covid. The vaccine reduces this because it makes it less likely you get the syndrome after infection.