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Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by MichaelApproved on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:06PM (#2819995)
But as they do so, I also hope they remember it helps no one — least of all the author of the redesign — to assume the worst about the original source and the people who work hard to maintain and improve it, even though those efforts may seem imperfect from the outside.

Redesigns, solicited or not, are very helpful to me. I don't care what internal politics the original product designer is grappling with. It's refreshing to see what outside observers come up with, politics and other restrictions be damned.

I'd hate to work for someone who was so critical of critical thought.

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by brown9-2 on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:14PM (#2820008)
The thoughts he is critical of here are not those related to the design - it's all of the newspaper/media/NYT-bashing that takes up the first half of the essay. The designer makes a lot of claims about why things are the way they are for newspaper websites in 2011 without really backing them up, and seems to be assuming the worst about everyone involved.

The redesign on it's own is fine but the screed before that is the issue.

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by mbreese on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:57PM (#2820103)
I thought it was very clear... Redesigns are good, but don't assume that as an outside designer that you have all of the relevant data.

I don't recall Khoi making a statement about the redesign itself, just the tone of the explanation of it. I got the impression that the choices made had valid reasoning behind them that may not be obvious to someone outside of the times. It had nothing to do with internal politics, but the realities of running a very large site. Design is great. Practical design is better.

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by MichaelApproved on Friday July 29, 2011 @12:57PM (#2822712)
Design is great. Practical design is better.

That's really true but nonetheless, its helpful to see another design point of view. If the nytimes disagreed with the tone that was taken then state that but don't dismiss the whole article.

He could've adressed the design concerns and also mention his shpeal about the tone that was taken.

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by bglbrg on Friday July 29, 2011 @12:37AM (#2820228)
You wouldn't want to work for someone who responded to critical thinking with equally critical thinking? I sure would.

Rutledge did indeed rant generally in his opening paragraphs a bunch of stuff about poor standards, lack of ethics etc in the industry with little to back it up, then segues to the Times as his example of the design problems (see what he did there?).

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by ricardobeat on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:13PM (#2820005)
I don't care what internal politics the original product designer is grappling with.

Exactly my thoughts. The original article was harsh but not disrespectful - it's a critique of the end result, not anyone's capabilities, and it has lots of reason.

Re:Unsolicited Redesigns (Khoi Vinh responds to NYTimes rede... by emp_ on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:39PM (#2820069)
Also, he tries to critique the redesign based on what was written, not what was designed. Title should be "On criticizing what you know little about the internals".