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Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by AlbertCory on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:40AM (#28181512)
I'm not going to address the "church and state" argument. I'll refer instead to Emerson's quote that "An Institution Is The Lengthened Shadow Of One Man [sic]." (We should say "one person.")

There's a simple CoC that neatly solves all these problems, and it's small enough to put on a footer for every page of every document:

   "If you're an asshole, I kick you out."
You're asking "how do we know what asshole-ness consists of?"

The answer is that you know the leader and you trust them. If you don't, you should leave.

Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by wang_li on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:59AM (#28181676)
You also should add “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.”
Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by ether_at_cpan on Sunday August 15, 2021 @12:53PM (#28190271)
That's so outdated. Everyone knows that words are literal violence now, and the worst offence you can give to someone is not believing in their ideology. It's like we want to emulate the religious right for some reason...
Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by okareaman on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:52AM (#28181615)
Interesting. I just finished "The Crown" so have been meditating on the idea of one person holding the spirit and sensibility of a nation. Then there's the idea of Benevolent Dictator for Life (BDFL) like Guido van Rossum, who quit the role and then took it back up.

Here's the essay: https://archive.vcu.edu/english/engweb/transcendentalism/aut...

Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by labster on Sunday August 15, 2021 @03:43AM (#28186929)
Larry Wall is essentially this for the Perl Community, and many of us unironically refer to him as a saint. He certainly fulfills the role of constitutional monarch. But his attention has turned more towards Raku, and the rename (which he opposed for years before relenting) has started to split the community a little more.

I was just involved in some local political drama that was, if anything, worse than what happened here. And ignoring the Perl community as a consequence. So I was quite surprised to see a news article about all people I know, all of them friends. I really think the months of isolation are getting to all of us psychologically. That and the fact that the color of the sunlight has been subtly wrong all summer long from the smoke. We are children of a dying planet.

I don’t know how to fix it, but I do think everyone everywhere needs to take some time and calm down if they haven’t already. I love involved in this, and hope that we can all have a beer together once again.

Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by luckylion on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:50AM (#28181589)
> The answer is that you know the leader and you trust them. If you don't, you should leave.

That sounds like a recipe for a cult.

People like to know what is and isn't okay, and leaving it up to someone's feeling, even if you generally trust that person, makes the whole thing very fragile.

Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by AlbertCory on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:28PM (#28181912)
"Very fragile" and the Bus Factor: those things ignore the Lindy Effect (as modified by Taleb).

Monarchy in one form or another has lasted thousands of years. It does have the succession problem (or the Bus Factor), but requiring the monarch to designate a successor is the usual solution to that.

Re:The Perl Foundation is fragmenting over Code of Conduct e... by okareaman on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:56AM (#28181644)
Ye, because then you have the Bus Factor to worry about. I think the Rust language project is a good example of how to do it right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor