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Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by patmcc on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:20PM (#28148581)
>>I for one want to hear his expertise, even if it disagrees with the conclusions you've already made.

That's fine. YouTube doesn't want to host it, because in their view it's harmful. What's the problem?

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:35PM (#28148762)
This just seems very dismissive. Maybe you're right that Youtube's speech policies aren't an issue of earth-shattering importance, but that wouldn't mean it's somehow impossible to say that I don't like them and wish they would change.
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by patmcc on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:51PM (#28149741)
Partially I'm serious, but I'm also channeling the politics of Rand Paul - a libertarian who doesn't believe in "rights based on your behavior" - which to him I suppose means the "behavior" of being gay or trans, rather than the behavior of saying idiotic things about covid.
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by gwright on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:58PM (#28149810)
> That's fine. YouTube doesn't want to host it, because in their view it's harmful. What's the problem?

It is perfectly rationale to say that YouTube has the freedom to make editorial choices while also pointing out that they are making bad choices.

You aren't countering any criticism by stating that YouTube has the freedom to make those choices -- you're just changing the topic and ignoring the nature of the criticism.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by patmcc on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @08:51PM (#28150289)
Because the criticism is bollocks. "I want to hear particular views on a particular website" isn't an argument.
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by gwright on Thursday August 12, 2021 @01:26AM (#28152311)
Yeah, except that isn't actually the argument.
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by tw600040 on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:34PM (#28148749)
So if some restaurant business says X (gays, christians, asians etc) not welcome we don't want to host them, that's fine too?
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by smorgusofborg on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:48PM (#28148924)
The groups you cite are civil rights relevant. Do you think Rand Paul's thoughts are an expression of his religion or evidence of a handicap?
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by lostdog on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:35PM (#28149572)
> Do you think Rand Paul's thoughts are...evidence of a handicap?

They could be. Or do you just mean physical handicaps?

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by patmcc on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:37PM (#28149586)
We make a distinction between characteristics/traits and actions, generally. It's generally wrong to discriminate based on traits and fine to discriminate on actions.

So; if YouTube said "we don't allow Christian white men" or whatever, absolutely, that's terrible and shouldn't be allowed. If they say "we don't allow people to say things that are actively harmful" that's quite different.

If you go into a restaurant and insult the servers, or start bothering other patrons, they'll ask you to leave. That's perfectly fine.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by jimmygrapes on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @08:05PM (#28149889)
How about if a man and woman kiss and are left alone but when two men kiss they are asked to leave for public indecency?
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by patmcc on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @08:48PM (#28150264)
"Kissing" is the behavior, it should either be allowed or not. It's clearly wrong to have different rules depending on the gender of those involved.
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by evanrich on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:56PM (#28149044)
Mask opinions are not a protected class
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by setpatchaddress on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:08PM (#28149220)
Yes, if you're actually a libertarian -- like Rand Paul claims to be -- that is in fact fine. People can vote with their feet.

edit: typo

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by tomohawk on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:29PM (#28148690)
Youtube is a monopoly. Monopolies must not be allowed to infringe on our rights.