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Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by BiteCode_dev on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:28PM (#28144971)
It's funny because we told people not to trust big companies, they tell us we are paranoid, they do it, they pay the price for it, then they say we were right, then they do it again.

MS changed. Google changed. Apple changed. Why do one expect github to never turn evil ? Haven't learned enough from history ?

Don't let them control your entire stack! Don't let anybody control the entire of anything.

There is a difference this time though. This time, most of us will say it only once.

Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by judge2020 on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @04:10PM (#28147096)
People act in their own interests, usually prioritizing the medium-term (eg. evaluating every few years/every decade) over the long-term. These products made by the big companies provide immense value that promises to make your life better tomorrow, so most people choose them.
Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by swiley on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:32PM (#28145031)
It's over once we don't have control of the compilers. Look at the iPhone.
Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by echelon on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:51PM (#28145290)
iPhone is the direction everything is trending.

Fight this bullshit. Call your pro-breakup / anti-trust representatives and give them the reasons this is bad for you and your career. Tell them the narrative and give them ammunition to fight this.

Google, Amazon, Apple, and now Microsoft deserve regulations and/or dissolution.

Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by brundolf on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @02:16PM (#28145622)
I don't understand the panic.

This isn't a black-box system, it's github. Owning your artifacts is as simple as setting up a job to automatically clone the repo a couple times a day (assuming your entire company is working through the cloud interface and not a single person already has a local checkout).

Lots of companies put their entire databases in AWS - owned by a company that's already evil, no speculation required - where the egress charges make offsite backups a challenge. And western civilization hasn't collapsed yet.

If GitHub changes its policies one day or shuts down the service... just push to a new repo and switch over to regular workstations.

Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by remexre on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @02:24PM (#28145732)
> This isn't a black-box system, it's github. Owning your artifacts is as simple as setting up a job to automatically clone the repo a couple times a day (assuming your entire company is working through the cloud interface and not a single person already has a local checkout).

Isn't the use-case they're selling in the article approximately "the development environment setup is so fragile that it doesn't work on lots of machines?" I'd be willing to wager that after a few years of the whole team using this, the fragility will be much worse, so moving away will be that much harder.

Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by brundolf on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @02:32PM (#28145845)
Fragile in the sense that it might take you hours or days to get it all set up just right. It would be a disruption, like any IT problem, but it's not going to threaten an entire business.
Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by vbezhenar on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @04:48PM (#28147530)
I might be wrong, but it seems to be a combination of visual studio code + container plugin + docker. So you would need to install visual studio code, few plugins and spin up a docker to replicate that environment on the local machine.
Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by benhurmarcel on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:48PM (#28148925)
> they pay the price for it, then they say we were right

What are you referring to?

Re:GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces by sngz on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @02:46PM (#28146019)
github was already turning evil. and being bought by microsoft sealed the deal