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Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @08:17AM (#28127866)
TL;DR they're mostly self funded (through farming and resource extraction withing Afghanistan).

The near complete absence of cell phone videos of AGTM attacks from that war is a massive tip-off it clear that they don't have a nation state sugar daddy paying the bill (in contrast with groups in Syria).

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by gruez on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:16AM (#28129147)
>The near complete absence of cell phone videos of AGTM attacks from that war is a massive tip-off it clear that they don't have a nation state sugar daddy paying the bill (in contrast with groups in Syria).

I don't get it, are cell phone videos hard to get a hold of without "a nation state sugar daddy paying the bill"? The other explanation is that Syria has a much higher GDP per capita ($6,373) than Afghanistan ($2,474), so the populace is more likely to have cell phones which means more footage of AGTM strikes.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by stevenwoo on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:54AM (#28129588)
The article clearly states that Russian, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia governments are giving possibly up to 500 million a year and about half as much is given by private donors originating mostly with sympathizers from gulf states so the GP's arguments about no sugar daddy doesn't hold up.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by kesselvon on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:27AM (#28129244)
His point is they can't afford the AGTMs, not the cell phones. AGTMs are expensive, and the Taliban can't afford it.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by dogma1138 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @11:03AM (#28129707)
If those figures are anywhere close to being real it’s not about money but about logistics.

All it means is that they don’t have a sponsor or at least a major one that provides them with sophisticated weapons, during the last civil war the Taliban rode into Kabul on soviet tanks.

Syria had tons of weapons to steal, so did Iraq and parties like Iran transferred arms including ATGMs to non state actors involved in the conflict.

ATGMs also may not be as useful in a mountainous country like Afghanistan.

Right now the Taliban is riding in HMMWVs at least the Americans didn’t give the Afghans M1 Abrams tanks like they did with the Iraqis, Kata'ib Hezbollah and ISIL are rolling in M1’s these days in Syria as they managed to “liberate” them from the Iraqi forces.

People overestimate just how easy it is to secure weapons, especially sophisticated ones without a local source. Most illegal arms are those which are bought legally and then transferred illegally or are stolen from those who bought them legally.

This means you need either a local adversary or a local ally that has ATGMs in sufficient quantities to get your hands on them, without that even Nick Cage won’t get you your Kornets.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @11:10AM (#28129785)
>ATGMs also may not be as useful in a mountainous country like Afghanistan.

They are amazingly useful because you can hit a truck or a group of people miles away way more effectively than with gunfire and way more accurately than with mortar fire. You do this when you have nation states giving you their old stuff. When you have to pay your own way you reserve the ATGMs for actual tanks and whatnot.

Look at the videos out of Syria. That's exactly how they're used.

>ATGMs also may not be as useful in a mountainous country like Afghanistan.

If nation states had serious interest in this conflict "local sources" would materialize like they did in Syria. All those TOWs those guys use didn't come from Iraq.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by dogma1138 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @12:13PM (#28130640)
Videos in Syria are usually from flat and open terrain, NLOS ATGMs aren’t common even with modern militaries.

The TOWs in Syria did come from Iraq, the Kornets came from Iran.

There is also the possibility that the Taliban after fighting the Americans for nearly 2 decades also has pretty good opsec they know that the US tracks phones even when they are out of cellular range and in general they came to believe that pretty much anything with a battery can somehow be tracked by a drone with a SIG/MASINT pod and they are probably not that far off.

Looking at both photographs and some battlefield photos they use plenty of man portable rocket systems like RPG-29 and 32.

Guided systems are more complex, heavier and usually require a team to operate. Hauling them on foot in the mountains isn’t ideal and their range is limited since these are still WLOS system at that point they offer no real advantage over RPGs and other unguided weapons.

Also keep in mind that the fighters in Afghanistan are far more likely to be illiterate which means they aren’t likely to be using sophisticated weapons that aren’t point and shoot not to mention mobile phones.

Syria had both a much more modern population to recruit from and far more foreign fighters than Afghanistan has now.

Looking at their weapons and tactics since post 9/11 if indeed they aren’t using ATGMs at the same prevalence as say Syria there are far better explanations than they can’t afford them.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by gruez on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:48AM (#28129521)
Ah okay, I was thinking the AGTMs were being launched by US/NATO.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by LorenPechtel on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:53PM (#28135790)
ATGMs are expensive per target killed and Pakistan doesn't have indigenous ability to manufacture them. Supplying such missiles would pull back the veil a bit, especially if serial numbers were recovered.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by baybal2 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @09:50AM (#28128843)
Those are not your stereotype fitting "donkey riders" https://i.ibb.co/j3CGjTm/IMG-20190710-173326-1.webp

Employing services of such good smooth talkers doesn't come cheap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWVy7z9w8Y

Such guy could've easily billed clients up few thousand bucks per hour if he were to work in the West.

And it shows that these guys have both understanding of good PR, and must be spending much on it.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by thatguy0900 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @11:03AM (#28129709)
Well,they are religious extremists fighting a underdog fight against a big bad empire. If youre an extremist muslim youll probably take a discount to work with them. They might not be paying that much.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by baybal2 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @12:36PM (#28130939)
P.S. I googled on the man, and now I'm taking my words back. My initial impression of him was wrong.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by loeg on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:56AM (#28129620)
AGTM?
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by rjsw on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @11:04AM (#28129718)
Maybe they meant ATGM.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @11:11AM (#28129801)
Exactly what I meant.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by akhosravian on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @12:51PM (#28131131)
ATGM?
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by kook_throwaway on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @02:05PM (#28132122)
What is ATGM? Seems like something I'm not comfortable searching for.
Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by jjk166 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @02:28PM (#28132406)
Anti tank guided missile

These are man portable weapons capable of taking out tanks and other vehicles at decent range. They are expensive and complicated compared to say an RPG.

Re:Who Funds the Taliban? by kook_throwaway on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:50PM (#28134313)
Thank you. I'm picturing something similar to MANPAD but for tanks.