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Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by iso1210 on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:39PM (#28120555)
Fossil fuel companies getting PR to spin everything they can into trying to improve hydrogen's image.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by toiletaccount on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:00PM (#28120857)
What's wrong with hydrogen? You can produce it with renewables, it basically works with existing IC technology and the exhaust is just water. The only hangup is the energy/volume ratio, which is an area of ongoing research.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by detaro on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:29PM (#28121270)
Large-scale hydrogen production is commonly based on fossil fuels right now, and that's what many fossil fuel companies push when they talk hydrogen. End-to-end efficiency is also not that great. That doesn't necessarily disqualify hydrogen, but it's not as obvious as often presented.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by toiletaccount on Monday August 09, 2021 @04:04PM (#28121690)
It seems like a good hydrogen chain could look like: solar panels floating in the ocean split the water and store it, a tanker picks it up and takes it to port. Burn hydrogen at a power plant for the grid, condense the vapor and use it for drinking or farming.

It seems like a great fit for...a lot of use cases. (if we can get over some of the storage hurdles)

Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by namibj on Monday August 09, 2021 @06:55PM (#28123331)
Even then it's comparatively trivial to capture the carbon dioxide from steam reforming, as opposed to gasoline in a car.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by throw37388 on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:21PM (#28121158)
Hydrogen burns and produces greenhouse gas!
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by jbotz on Monday August 09, 2021 @05:19PM (#28122427)
Although water vapor is technically a "greenhouse gas", it is not responsible for forcing any global warming. That's because at the temperatures we're interested in water is a liquid, not a gas, and what small amount of water remains gaseous is entirely determined by the air's temperature. So water vapor can't force any warming, it can only amplify other forcings.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by detaro on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:25PM (#28121201)
uh, no?
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by iso1210 on Monday August 09, 2021 @05:15PM (#28122397)
Well technically yes
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by throw37388 on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:32PM (#28121298)
Yes

》Water vapor is known to be Earth’s most abundant greenhouse gas

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.htm...

Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by toiletaccount on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:42PM (#28121433)
Run it through a condenser, feed it into a holding tank and dispose of the water at each filling station?
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by jbotz on Monday August 09, 2021 @05:22PM (#28122458)
No need, the atmosphere is a sufficient condenser. Unless you heat the atmosphere with a lot more energy than the little bit you get from combusting the hydrogen in question... but then you'll have bigger problems as your oceans begin to evaporate.
Re:Bring back hydrogen lifting gas by jeffreyrogers on Monday August 09, 2021 @06:03PM (#28122884)
Hard to imagine a solution to climate change that doesn't involve the fossil fuel companies given their enormous political importance.