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Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:11AM (#28116318)
> some in the millions

Sources? From what I have seen, marches of 100k max.

Re:Messaging and chat control by argvargc on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:57AM (#28117734)
Country-wide. It's typically in the 100k's per major city. The last Yellow Vest protest in France was organised in 80 cities & towns.

For an example of underrepresentation, "160k" was the "official" figure for the totality of France recently in the few mainstream media reports. Most "official" figures, if they report at all, are multiple factors low, or in same cases orders of magnitude too low.

Eg, just the single public square in Paris (place de la concorde) protestors have occupied in most protests, easily holds much more than 160k, on its own. That was just one square in one (albeit the biggest) city that day.

Find drone shots or timelapses to make estimates, for example: odysee.com/@alltheworldsastage:0/Aug-7th-Paris---Montpellier-France-Massive-Anti-Vaccine-Passport-Protests-Libert%C3%A9-Manifestations:2?

(Absolutely don't endorse this channel or anything - but this bit of content in this case is largely unedited or editorialised, and is sourced.)

If you find a good visual source, use one of various free crowd estimator tools to see for yourself. Draw lines on the map and drag a slider for crowd density - eg the above-mentioned square in Paris is 50k for a light crowd, up to 200k+ for a packed crowd - and the protests meet the definition of packed.

There are no easily-accessible, centralised and vetted sources of indisputable information during times of widespread censorship - you simply have to go look and do the work of vetting it yourself. Beware sometimes it's mislabelled/misinformation, eg, actually shots of a world cup celebration (likely intended to discredit). It's not hard to be discerning however - if absolutely everyone is holding the countries flag and there are no signs, it's likely a sports or other national celebration. If some are holding flags and others are holding signs saying "liberte" it's a protest. You need to learn the foreign words for freedom and vaccine passport at least.

In Italy it's easy as the word for "no" is the same as English and the word for vaccine passport is "green pass": so "no green pass", as various members of parliament ambushed the center of a parliament session and held up signs saying so recently.

You can bet if multiple members of parliament are flooding the central chamber of government of a major European country with protest signs, then protests are at least in the millions.

Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:21AM (#28116419)
Another question : Ruptly is reporting live on these protests in Paris and Berlin on YT weekly now.

Are they part of the censorship? Is there something they are not showing?

Re:Messaging and chat control by argvargc on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:02AM (#28117788)
They exclusively follow the edge of the police line and mostly focuses on them throughout. Typically therefore, coverage shows limited numbers of people, and most of any violence that occurs.

But, it's better than nothing, and at least documents who started what. In the case of Berlin recently, it was particularly shocking.

Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:16AM (#28117975)
I see them walking embedded in the crowds in Paris. They tend to follow the action if a particular place 'dies out'.

> it was particularly shocking.

Why so vague?

Re:Messaging and chat control by argvargc on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:45AM (#28118320)
Have I not typed enough?
Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:09PM (#28119423)
That is entirely up to you.
Re:Messaging and chat control by hhlbf on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:49AM (#28116779)
Ruptly is Russian media, so I suppose they have the freedom to report these things that local media doesn't have.
Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:55AM (#28116850)
From what I have understood is that the Ruptly crews are safe because they are trusted and known to publish a factual non-editorialized stream.

The traditional media? Not so much.

Re:Messaging and chat control by mschuster91 on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:28AM (#28116502)
> France, Italy, Germany, Greece, the UK and others are experiencing widespread protest - some in the millions

Germany's largest drew just short of 40k people, that was when they tried to storm the Parliament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_COVID-19_policie...). "Querdenken" is loud but entirely irrelevant.

And in France, the protests are (as usual for the French) not just Corona containment measures, but general social issue protests.

Re:Messaging and chat control by chess_buster on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:20AM (#28116410)
It's reported in the main government news source, the tagesschau, in Germany all the time and (at least for Germany) its also blown waaaayy out of proportion. For example, in my home-town of 170,000 the demo was 30 people…

The "police brutality" used against the QAnon, Nazis, and the so called "Querdenker" demonstrators here in Germany is laughable, when you compare what the police does against left-leaning demonstrations here in Germany on a regular basis.

So please stop spreading this FUD.

Re:Messaging and chat control by the-dude on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:27AM (#28116498)
> in my home-town of 170,000 the demo was 30 people

This is consistent with my home town in NL.

Re:Messaging and chat control by thefr0g on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:29AM (#28117302)
> its also blown waaaayy out of proportion.

Can confirm, media likes to report on it because it gets a lot of clicks. It's a loud minority that knows how to use (online) media for their means and profit.

> The "police brutality" used against the QAnon, Nazis, and the so called "Querdenker" demonstrators here in Germany is laughable, when you compare what the police does against left-leaning demonstrations here in Germany on a regular basis.

Initiators of (not only) left demonstrations like to cry about the oh-so brutal police but there is definetely truth to this. I've never seen protesters get away with so much bullshit in germany.