> some in the millions

Sources? From what I have seen, marches of 100k max.

Country-wide. It's typically in the 100k's per major city. The last Yellow Vest protest in France was organised in 80 cities & towns.

For an example of underrepresentation, "160k" was the "official" figure for the totality of France recently in the few mainstream media reports. Most "official" figures, if they report at all, are multiple factors low, or in same cases orders of magnitude too low.

Eg, just the single public square in Paris (place de la concorde) protestors have occupied in most protests, easily holds much more than 160k, on its own. That was just one square in one (albeit the biggest) city that day.

Find drone shots or timelapses to make estimates, for example: odysee.com/@alltheworldsastage:0/Aug-7th-Paris---Montpellier-France-Massive-Anti-Vaccine-Passport-Protests-Libert%C3%A9-Manifestations:2?

(Absolutely don't endorse this channel or anything - but this bit of content in this case is largely unedited or editorialised, and is sourced.)

If you find a good visual source, use one of various free crowd estimator tools to see for yourself. Draw lines on the map and drag a slider for crowd density - eg the above-mentioned square in Paris is 50k for a light crowd, up to 200k+ for a packed crowd - and the protests meet the definition of packed.

There are no easily-accessible, centralised and vetted sources of indisputable information during times of widespread censorship - you simply have to go look and do the work of vetting it yourself. Beware sometimes it's mislabelled/misinformation, eg, actually shots of a world cup celebration (likely intended to discredit). It's not hard to be discerning however - if absolutely everyone is holding the countries flag and there are no signs, it's likely a sports or other national celebration. If some are holding flags and others are holding signs saying "liberte" it's a protest. You need to learn the foreign words for freedom and vaccine passport at least.

In Italy it's easy as the word for "no" is the same as English and the word for vaccine passport is "green pass": so "no green pass", as various members of parliament ambushed the center of a parliament session and held up signs saying so recently.

You can bet if multiple members of parliament are flooding the central chamber of government of a major European country with protest signs, then protests are at least in the millions.

Another question : Ruptly is reporting live on these protests in Paris and Berlin on YT weekly now.

Are they part of the censorship? Is there something they are not showing?

They exclusively follow the edge of the police line and mostly focuses on them throughout. Typically therefore, coverage shows limited numbers of people, and most of any violence that occurs.

But, it's better than nothing, and at least documents who started what. In the case of Berlin recently, it was particularly shocking.

I see them walking embedded in the crowds in Paris. They tend to follow the action if a particular place 'dies out'.

> it was particularly shocking.

Why so vague?

Have I not typed enough?

That is entirely up to you.

Ruptly is Russian media, so I suppose they have the freedom to report these things that local media doesn't have.

From what I have understood is that the Ruptly crews are safe because they are trusted and known to publish a factual non-editorialized stream.

The traditional media? Not so much.

> France, Italy, Germany, Greece, the UK and others are experiencing widespread protest - some in the millions

Germany's largest drew just short of 40k people, that was when they tried to storm the Parliament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_COVID-19_policie...). "Querdenken" is loud but entirely irrelevant.

And in France, the protests are (as usual for the French) not just Corona containment measures, but general social issue protests.

It's reported in the main government news source, the tagesschau, in Germany all the time and (at least for Germany) its also blown waaaayy out of proportion. For example, in my home-town of 170,000 the demo was 30 people…

The "police brutality" used against the QAnon, Nazis, and the so called "Querdenker" demonstrators here in Germany is laughable, when you compare what the police does against left-leaning demonstrations here in Germany on a regular basis.

So please stop spreading this FUD.

> in my home-town of 170,000 the demo was 30 people

This is consistent with my home town in NL.

> its also blown waaaayy out of proportion.

Can confirm, media likes to report on it because it gets a lot of clicks. It's a loud minority that knows how to use (online) media for their means and profit.

> The "police brutality" used against the QAnon, Nazis, and the so called "Querdenker" demonstrators here in Germany is laughable, when you compare what the police does against left-leaning demonstrations here in Germany on a regular basis.

Initiators of (not only) left demonstrations like to cry about the oh-so brutal police but there is definetely truth to this. I've never seen protesters get away with so much bullshit in germany.

Presumably they're referring to requirements for vaccinations to attend large public gatherings.

I think it's an absurd hyperbole, myself.

Is it really, though? Both child abuse and the pandemic are serious issues with real world victims, and both are riddled with privacy, anonymity and personal integrity issues. If we don't act against them, people will die/get hurt, and if we act against it in a Macchiavelian manner, democracy and quality of our life suffers enormously.

My observation is that in the name of: a) Covid b) Counterterrorism c) Child abuse almost everything can be presented as justifiable, at least to the mainstream media. The burden of questioning the rulers' decisions remains on us, and the limitations of personal freedom, both digital and physical, set a dangerous precendent to anything that might happen in the future.

Yes it's absolutely hyperbole to compare the racist policy of apartheid to reasonable restrictions on people who voluntarily choose to avoid vaccines for mostly-nonsense reasons.

Do you also oppose driver's license restrictions? Or existing pre-covid vaccine requirements? I struggle to see how these new restrictions are so onerous.

Equating drivers licenses to vaccine passports is a false equivalency.

Why? Drivers' licensing makes people safer on the roads, vaccines make people safer in crowded indoor spaces.

The abuses rationalized by the War on Terror, such as mass surveillance and profiling haven't been walked back. Yet many somehow believe vaccine passports won't be similarly result in mission creep and abuse. More recently it has been suggested to expand the designation of terrorist to include those who have concerns about this process.

When has government willingly returned liberties taken under emergency pretenses? Once Pandora's box is opened...

> When has government willingly returned liberties taken under emergency pretenses?

How about the dozens of times already since the start of this pandemic? Every time case rates drop even slightly, they've rushed to re-open businesses, eliminate mask rules and limitations on gatherings.

There have been some outliers like Florida's Ron DeSantis, but for the most part lockdowns have been on and off. The CDC now recommends masking for vaccinated individuals. Restrict, loosen restrictions and then tighten restrictions further. Repeat as necessary. Say what you will of some of the temporary restorations of freedom of movement, but they've normalized putting people on house arrest.

The goal in my view appears to be getting people onboard with the vaccine passports. Once implemented it will be a stepping stone towards CBDC, UBI and social credit scores.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-23/digita...

> large public gatherings.

In some counties it is much broader than that. Painting it as hyperbole sounds hollow if you are downplaying it yourself.

If the gathering is large enough they can't stop it and will back down. See the yellow vests movement.

That only works for gatherings not associated with a legal entity.

For example a sports club ( football? ) can't ignore the rules or it will be fined / closed.

It depends. In France unoins will organize public gatherings and won't be fined or closed because they have real power to shut down a whole sector of the economy and the ability to negotiate with the government.

EU covid pass and medical discrimination now in Europe but also world wide.

Well, people of a certain background get treated like shit by the supposedly universal healthcare systems in Europe, so there's that.

Could you please specify 'certain' instead of hinting?

Sources would be great too.

I think he’s talking about anti vaxers. Which I’m not. Have the J&J one and doing quite well. Just believe it’s a choice. They also quite often use it to invoke being from a working class background. Which I am actually.

How are they treated like shit?