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Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by jack_pp on Saturday August 07, 2021 @08:21PM (#28103110)
neilv's hypothesis is much more likely, you won't win money cheating at chess or online shooter games and those who do cheat usually do so because of character flaws. Can't really compare no-stakes recreational cheating with high stakes pro sports where everyone is trying to cheat in some way or another because of the money / status incentives.
Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by wayne-li2 on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:21PM (#28103393)
I struggle to label it as character flaws because it implies that it is an immutable property of the person. In reality, a lot of the no-stakes cheaters are compensating for something else. People often use video games as a means of escapism. There’s no reason not to think that people cheat in video games as a means of experiencing success, while living in a world that increasingly becomes difficult to succeed in.

There’s another group of “cheaters” and that’s just people who like pushing the game to the limits. Most video game speed running nowadays involves exploits and bugs. There’s often a fine line between labeling something as “cheating” vs “a whole new way to experience media”. I wouldn’t label those people as people with character flaws, even if they use these exploits maliciously. Some people don’t see the video game as something holy and untouchable. They see it as a testing ground, like how a pen tester might see a company’s infra. And their innovations sometimes produces great benefit for the gaming society, for example advances in speed running, etc.

I think the people that cheat in online chess probably fall in the first category. But I wanted to produce the second category because they might also be labeled as “cheaters” with character flaws.

Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by chmod600 on Saturday August 07, 2021 @11:25PM (#28103982)
"label it as character flaws because it implies that it is an immutable property"

That's a misinterpretation, I believe. Nearly every story involves character development; there's no reason to believe that it's immutable.

Some elements of character may be less mutable, or at least assumed to be less mutable. But character overall is a continuous work in progress.

Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by rendall on Sunday August 08, 2021 @02:59AM (#28104768)
> ...while living in a world that increasingly becomes difficult to succeed in

This is interesting. What is different about the world today than in the past?

Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by iratewizard on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:51PM (#28103577)
A tl;dr of this is: cheating to win a game is a form of trolling, which is enjoyable to some in itself.
Re:Turning the tables on chess cheating? by neilv on Sunday August 08, 2021 @10:21PM (#28112102)
I think "still developing a sense of character" is more accurate than "character flaws".

We all grow and learn over time, and need more time and the understanding of others earlier on.