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Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by coldtea on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:11PM (#28094725)
>The same checking when you synced things to iCloud. As has been repeated over and over again, this check happens for iCloud Photos. It's not running arbitrarily.

Who said it's running "arbitrarily"? Who said it's not about iCloud Photos?

>Your photos were compared before and they're being compared now... if you're using iCloud Photos.

They weren't always compared, they started being compared a few years ago, and they moved to comparing them with a new scheme now.

Both are bad, and not the responsibility of a company selling phones - and also a bad precedent (now it's "think of the children", tomorrow "think of the country", then "think of those with wrong ideas", then "think how much money insurance companies can save" and what have you).

As for your suggestions to just "stop using iCloud Photos", how about we get to enjoy the features we bought our devices for, without stuff we didn't ask for and don't want?

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by Klonoar on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:16PM (#28094771)
>Both are bad, and not the responsibility of a company selling phones

Apple is not just a hardware company and there is no obligation for them to host offending contents on their servers - just as Dropbox, Google, and so on would maintain with theirs.

>As for your suggestions to just "stop using iCloud Photos", how about we get to enjoy the features we bought our devices for, without stuff we didn't ask for and don't want?

It's odd to say that a business shouldn't be allowed to police what's on their platform, given we're on a forum explicitly enabling entrepreneurs.

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by coldtea on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:06AM (#28098317)
>It's odd to say that a business shouldn't be allowed to police what's on their platform, given we're on a forum explicitly enabling entrepreneurs.

It's odd to say that a business should be allowed to police private user content, given we're on a forum with the name "Hacker" on it, built by ex-hackers, and with part of its member's interests heritage not in and "enabling enterpreneurs" but in hacking (in the MIT sense of yore).

Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by visarga on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:53AM (#28095804)
With many more images, many more false positives. One has as a consequence a message or account being deleted, the other - being reported to the police. Very different!
Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by jeromegv on Saturday August 07, 2021 @10:27AM (#28098819)
They were reporting to the authorities before as well with what was found on iCloud photos.
Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by macintux on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:29AM (#28095689)
In this case, they're explicitly required by law to report this material if it shows up on their servers.
Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by coldtea on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:07AM (#28098323)
Well, Jim Crow legislation was also a thing once.
Re:The Problem with Perceptual Hashes by macintux on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:03PM (#28099613)
This definitely feels like a bad solution provoked by a dubious law; the complaints should be directed at our elected officials, not Apple.