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Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by iqster on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:09AM (#2807096)
Wait ... I want to verify if I read this correctly ... Europe does not have software patents?
Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by law on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:21AM (#2807152)
I was referring to business method patents, not software patents. Art. 52 paragraph 3 clarifies what's in paragraph 2:

(3) Paragraph 2 shall exclude the patentability of the subject-matter or activities referred to therein only to the extent to which a European patent application or European patent relates to such subject‑matter or activities as such (emphasis added)

This is where I imagine much of the confusion lies. My interpretation combined with a brief search on google seems to indicate that software could make its way into patentable subject matter if it's a subset of a larger system, but not if its the sole "invention" claimed in the patent.

In other words, if you have a hardware device running embedded software, you could patent the device, including in it "programs for computers." Thus, Art 52 doesn't mean that all inventions including computer software are, as a matter of law, not patentable.

Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by bergie on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:13AM (#2807107)
Correct. The way it is limited may of course depend on the local law. For example in Finnish patent law only "real things" can be patented, not products of human intelligence, which limits stuff like algorithms, software, business models etc. outside the scope of patentability.

There have been several instances, however, where large American companies have tried to get Europe to allow software patents. Luckily so far all of these have been blocked:

http://eupat.ffii.org/log/intro/

Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:53AM (#2807306)
>There have been several instances, however, where large American companies have tried to get Europe to allow software patents. Luckily so far all of these have been blocked:

Nonsense. We have software patents in Europe too.

Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by ig1 on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @11:15AM (#2807701)
It's somewhat complex, but in general most of the contentious US software patents wouldn't be valid in the EU, which is why Europe has only seen a handful of software patent cases over the last decade.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_Euro...

Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by hendrik-xdest on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:49AM (#2807280)
Imho the best example for this is that the Motorola Droid comes with multi-touch features in Europe, as opposed to the Droid of all countries were Apple holds the multi-touch patent.
Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by 18pfsmt on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @04:03PM (#2809241)
I don't know about Europe, but in the US "Droid" refers, specifically, to an Android device offered by Verizon; and, it is an exclusively licensed trademark by them to use in this context by Lucas.
Re:The W3C asks for help finding Prior Art to two Apple Pate... by untog on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @05:36PM (#2809585)
IIRC, it was called the Motorola Milestone in Europe. Exactly the same phone, though.