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Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by zpeti on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:00AM (#28070708)
Perhaps the guardian can point out scalable sustainable ways to create billions of car tyres per year, corrosion resistant plastics for underground pipes and sea cables, sustainable scalable replacements for the cosmetics industry, and then call this misinformation.

Until then it’s basically them spreading misinformation about what quality of life without fossils is like.

This is such a gray and difficult area this propaganda pretending to be journalism is ridiculous.

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by RangerScience on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:07AM (#28070746)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

isn't there kind of a huge difference, regarding climate change, with using fossil fuels for plastics, etc, and burning them for energy?

Like - plastics (particularly in the ocean) do present a massive issue, but they're dwarfed by the problem that is C02 and climate change?

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by dtech on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:18AM (#28070814)
Yes. Even if we pump up all remaining oil and turn it into plastic, the CO2 impact will be negligible, because the carbon will remain captured in the (non-degrading) plastics.
Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by zpeti on Thursday August 05, 2021 @04:08AM (#28071109)
From the article: “Some of the most significant tactics found included tying the use of oil and gas to maintaining a high quality of life”

This doesn’t say anything about plastics vs using oil as fuel. When you’re making big accusations about misinformation you should probably be clear and accurate in your journalism

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by yongjik on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:35AM (#28070914)
> create billions of car tyres per year, corrosion resistant plastics for underground pipes and sea cables, sustainable scalable replacements for the cosmetics industry ...

Textbook example of climate misinformation. People are talking about not using fossil fuels. Nobody's talking about banning tires or lotions. (Well, I mean, nobody who's being taken seriously. I'm sure you'll find a few village idiots wanting to go back to wooden chariots, if you look hard enough.)

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by zpeti on Thursday August 05, 2021 @04:09AM (#28071118)
As I said above:

From the article: “Some of the most significant tactics found included tying the use of oil and gas to maintaining a high quality of life”

This doesn’t say anything about plastics vs using oil as fuel.

When you’re making big accusations about misinformation you should probably be clear and accurate in your journalism

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by eyelovewe on Thursday August 05, 2021 @04:18AM (#28071158)
And your so-called-quality of life comes with the price of extinguishing any future above ground for our grandchildren, mass extinctions, and a whole lot of low quality of life for the vast majority of humanity.

We MUST prioritize R&D for precisely the things you mention, but the onus is on industry to adapt, not stymie necessary conversations and necessary change.

Get on board

Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by throwaway2048 on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:04AM (#28070722)
So reporting about problems that don't have obvious solutions is misinformation?
Re:Facebook let fossil-fuel industry push climate misinforma... by zpeti on Thursday August 05, 2021 @03:05AM (#28070730)
They’re not pointing out problems. They’re saying pointing out the other side of difficult problems is misinformation.

At that point unless you can factually prove your accusations you are basically slandering.