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Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:12AM (#28060046)
DevOps is a Developer which does Operational Support by writing code instead of performing operations manually.

Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by fourthwaveska on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @09:05AM (#28060545)
> Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.

For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:08PM (#28064921)
> For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.

So, you did DevOps work in 1996, long before the DevOps term was coined.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by fourthwaveska on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:00AM (#28073838)
Not really. I dont think I fully got over the us vs them mentality with dev organizations until ‘07 or ‘08.
Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by aniou on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:24AM (#28060151)
Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian.

Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators".

From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:04PM (#28064886)
> Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian.

Yep.

> Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators".

Yep.

> From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".

Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by kazen44 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:50AM (#28060399)
what about other fields of operation? Operational folk have been using automation since atleast the 70's...

Routing is completely automated for instance, and has been for over 35 years.