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Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by sparcpile on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:05AM (#28059993)
DevOps = sysadmin

SecOps = sysadmin has to apply the CIS/SCAP/whatever security template to the machine

DevSecOps = developer also has to apply the CIS/SCAP/whatever security template to their machine

It all ends up becoming marketing jargon for suits looking to follow the next big trend.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by chazu on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:10AM (#28060035)
This is absolutely wrong - DevOps is not a job title. At least it shouldn't be, as anyone in the sector will tell you. The conflation of DevOps responsibilities and specializations with SysAdmin work is the reason why the vast majority of "DevOps" teams are...vastly unqualified.
Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by amne on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:35AM (#28060256)
DevOps = Sysadmin who now pushes his bash scripts to a remote git
Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:12AM (#28060046)
DevOps is a Developer which does Operational Support by writing code instead of performing operations manually.

Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by fourthwaveska on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @09:05AM (#28060545)
> Sysadmin is a System Administrator, which performs operations manually.

For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:08PM (#28064921)
> For decades before DevOps was coined, Sysadmins were automating infrastructures with tools like Kickstart, Jumpstart, CFEngine, ISconf, Rancid, netboot/pxeboot/dhcp, etc. I first provisioned infrastructure with CFEngine in 1996 or 1997.

So, you did DevOps work in 1996, long before the DevOps term was coined.

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by fourthwaveska on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:00AM (#28073838)
Not really. I dont think I fully got over the us vs them mentality with dev organizations until ‘07 or ‘08.
Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by aniou on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:24AM (#28060151)
Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian.

Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators".

From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by drran on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:04PM (#28064886)
> Not at all. Things like CFEengine (1993) and even Puppet predates a spread of "devops" term. Not mentioning tools for automated system installations, embedded in distributions like RedHat or Debian.

Yep.

> Creating a tools, that allows us doing a simple, repeatable and - usually - automated tasks, always was an important part of sysadm role. Of course, there were ones that did everything manually and wasn't able to write own code: we called them "operators".

Yep.

> From my point of view: "devop is that hasty one, that doesn't care about long-term support of underlying infrastructure".

Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps

Re:Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps by kazen44 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:50AM (#28060399)
what about other fields of operation? Operational folk have been using automation since atleast the 70's...

Routing is completely automated for instance, and has been for over 35 years.