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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by capableweb on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @04:52AM (#28058752)
You're making exactly the same point as seanwilson did above. "I have used this dynamic language and it was worse than this strong static type language" while not even tried something like Smalltalk or Clojure.

Yes, languages that are truly dynamic (ships with a REPL, has a instant change->run this snippet workflow, can redefine anything in the runtime AT runtime) does work a lot better than Python which is basically comparing the type systems of Java and Haskell.

Give it a try. Worst that can happen is that you now have tried and learned something different, I'm sure it'll give you some knowledge that'll be helpful in any programming language :)

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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by skohan on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @05:02AM (#28058810)
I thought Objective-C was basically smalltalk, but maybe I'm mistaken
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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by capableweb on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @06:34AM (#28059412)
My comparison was more with the developer experience. In Smalltalk you live inside your program, doing edits as you go along and with dynamic introspection. In Objective-C you would edit your program from the outside, and then build it after doing changes, maybe introspect it from the outside.

Pharo is a nice implementation of Smalltalk and they have a nice page that describes the top features of the language. Take a look and see if it's different from the developer experience you had with Objective-C: https://archive.is/uAWX5 (linking to a archive via archive.is as some images couldn't load)

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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by blacktriangle on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:38AM (#28060286)
On the surface yes, however in order to keep the "-C" side Objective-C lost all of smalltalks dynamic REPL development experience in exchange for the traditional compile/run/repeat cycle.
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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by tester89 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @05:14AM (#28058872)
Objective-C adopted some syntactic "quirks" from smalltalk, but they are not similar at a semantic level.
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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by skohan on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @05:55AM (#28059151)
What are the key differences? My understanding was that both languages are heavily built around message passing between objects and dynamic dispatch.
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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by gpderetta on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @06:22AM (#28059326)
In particular, similarly to Smalltalk and differently for example from C++, Objective-C does method dispatching from empty interfaces and has does-not-understand functionality.

Everything Is An Object in Smalltalk, and of course this can't be true in Objective-C due to its mixed heritage.

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Re:Are dynamic languages going to replace static languages? ... by andrekandre on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @01:38PM (#28063879)
in smalltalk you are always running inside of a live system, so if you made a mistake its immediate that it happened right then and there, but in obj-c its a code-build-run environment so the place you changed and the state you have to progress to to exercise that change are far away and you might not catch it until runtime / in the field.
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