Note that many of these vaccines were already approved and not under emergency use authorization. Ever wonder how many side effects vaccines under trial have and how many never make it out of trials?
“Ah, at last, one relevant example. So you're right, there is one case where a vaccine had negative side effects, long term. Out of hundreds of vaccines. Doesn't change much to the argument, statistically.”
“I never said all vaccines are safe.”
That's still 3 decades, and that was short term”
Suppose there are 100 people. Suppose a virus has a 10% chance of killing you and the vaccine has a 1% chance. Now give the vaccine to 99 people. Should the last person take the vaccine? The virus is gone. Their probability of dying from the virus is now 0% instead of 10%. But their probability of dying from the vaccine is still 1%.
Different people taking the vaccine at different times have different risk profiles.
That is just the hypothetical example. There are actual real life examples of this with Covid-19. Some Scandinavian country was giving the vaccine to the elderly. Apparently they were already fragile and taking the vaccine pushed them over the edge and killed them.
Now if you are one of those people should you take the vaccine or be forced to? Your best bet is actually to have everyone else take the vaccine and NOT take it yourself.
Some people say that this is an example of a tragedy of the commons and that the health community pushes everyone to take the vaccine even if it is NOT in their specific self interest to do so. Everyone wants to be last. No one wants to be first. What do you actually think these vaccine mandates are pushing?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history....
Go look at the Cutter incident. It killed 10. Seems like the long term side effect that you claim does not exist.
“ In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing”
Go look at the rotavirus incident.
“ The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants younger than 12 months of age who normally would be at low risk for this condition.”
All from the CDC.
Your second example is a short term effect, not a long term one. Wrong again.
LONG TERM means years down the road. We already have a year of experience with this vaccine, starting with the participants of the first trials.
This is just silly.
Not to mention what could happen if someone messed up and injected bleach instead of the vaccine.
You have to go back over 60 years and even then only find issues caused by manufacturing problems, i.e., cases where not the intended vaccine was injected...
EDIT: 23 not 32 years
More examples.
One from 2017 with several deaths.
“In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.”
Is 4 years recent enough?
Edit: Read more carefully, the paper cited 4 examples. One was Cutter.
“ Next on the list is the widespread vaccination against the childhood disease measles. In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn.
The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died. There still is no vaccine to prevent RSV infection, but scientists are working hard to develop one, according to the CDC.”
So basically that vaccine didn't work to prevent measles. That's not a long term side-effect. That's a vaccine not working.
Here is the quote for the RSV vaccine that I had included in the earlier comment.
“Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died.”
Also can you not at least do your own research on atypical measles? Pulmonary lesions for several years sounds long term to me.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7468641/
“ This report highlights three unusual manifestations of this syndrome: 1) transient hepatitis, 2) persistence of pulmonary lesions for several years, and 3) occurrence of excessively high measles hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers.”
Everything you say, I go find evidence against and you find no new evidence. You just walk further and further back.
- no vaccines with long term side effects
- wrong, how about Cutter and rotavirus
- only one vaccine with long term side effects
- wrong, how about these 2
- only 60 years ago
- wrong, how about 23 years ago
- only manufacturing defect
- wrong, how about RSV, and these two others
- only 30 years ago
- wrong, how about 4 years ago
- only got you measles
- wrong, you got atypical measles
- no long term effects
- wrong, did you not read that there were multiple deaths? Did you figure out what atypical measles is? Did you find out about it’s long term side effects?
- I never said vaccines were safe, just that there were none with long term side effects
- wrong, you must mean short term side effects that fade away? Hahahaha. Deaths, paralysis, lesions, bowel obstructions that left untreated can kill you, etc…
Do you know what long term side effect even means? It doesn’t mean that the side effects only begin showing up later. An effect that occurs immediately and persists is still a long term side effect. A bullet to your brain has a long term side effect. It’s action is immediate but it’s side effects can be long lasting.
If vaccines are not safe, then why are you arguing that people take them? Also if you can’t tell if they are safe, how can you argue that taking the vaccines is safer than getting COVID-19? How can you argue definitively that the vaccines are safer for everyone? Why are you arguing against waiting for results of long term trials?
When faced with more and more evidence, instead of learning more, you stay incurious. You argue with so much self assurance but do not bother researching and thinking through a situation that is not fully known.
It’s as if you don’t actually know whether the vaccines are safe since no long term trials have been completed. And that even after trials have been completed, some vaccines are actually unsafe and not just due to manufacturing defects.
Use your brain people. Don’t let someone else think for you. Keep your agency.
Feel free to take the vaccine if you choose but do your own research first. Don’t be affected by the screamers. When someone tells you something, go find out if it is actually true. When someone tells you something absolute then be extra careful.
When someone approaches a topic without an open mind be extra cautious. Signs of this are not looking for evidence, not considering evidence, not allowing for the possibility that we just might not know, and not allowing for a more complex reality.