Re:Why don't tech companies pay their engineers to stay?
by Thiez on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:16PM
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How does a pip effect improved performance when the employee isn't even aware they're in one? Is trying to switch teams the only way to discover that, or are there other indirect ways?
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Re:Why don't tech companies pay their engineers to stay?
by wombatpm on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:18PM
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But HR sees it as a way to prevent a subpar employee from escaping the natural HR process. The fact that you have not been informed yet is just a failure of current management to follow process, but does not obsolve you of your subpar performance. HR is there for the company, not for you.
Re:Why don't tech companies pay their engineers to stay?
by NortySpock on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:45PM
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But really, if the only goal is to not be able to shirk a PIP by repeated team-hopping, the PIP should just follow you as you move teams rather than blocking your progress, right?
"Here's Joe Candidate, he applied for your open position, and he has a 3 month old PIP on track to be resolved in 3 months. Accept or decline the transfer to your team?"
Re:Why don't tech companies pay their engineers to stay?
by wpietri on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @06:31PM
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In theory that would be good. The issue is that a lot of managers don't like dealing with problems. If somebody is doing badly and maybe should be fired (which is what a PIP is supposed to indicate) you don't want a manager just passing the buck to some unsuspecting team.
Ultimately, I think you're right. It's impossible to build a bureaucratic pachinko machine that will make the correct personnel decisions. You really need line managers dedicated to coaching staff, and higher-level managers coaching line managers. One-size-fits-all rules are not the optimal solution. But bad management is endemic in so many organizations that I'm sure these abuses go on all the time.