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Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by RalfWausE on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:50AM (#28047315)
Something in me, somewhere in a dark and vengeful place of my soul, just wants to see the big companies burn down and let the ashes of the big tech giants be a warning memorial for future leaders that might don't make right.
Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by polytely on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @06:04AM (#28047404)
It would be somewhat bearable if it would at least have consequences for the CEO, it's fucking wild that he gets to walk away from this with $57 million. Do these people have no shame at all? (no)

>The investigation also found that former CEO Wenig had made “inappropriate communications” but did not have advance knowledge of the harassment and stalking. Wenig, who was not charged, was allowed to resign in September 2019 with a compensation package worth $57 million; the Steiner scandal was a “consideration” in his departure, the company has said.

These morally bankrupt parasites somehow get in situations where they get rewarded when things go well and when things go catastrophically wrong under their watch. I wonder what you would have to do as a CEO to actually get fired without getting a huge sack of cash, murder someone in broad daylight?

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by everdrive on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:49PM (#28051375)
>It would be somewhat bearable if it would at least have consequences for the CEO, it's fucking wild that he gets to walk away from this with $57 million. Do these people have no shame at all? (no)

It's clear to me that I don't really understand companies. Why give him such a huge exit package? Why would any executive get an exit package? What is the benefit to paying them so much money to leave? Why do most companies do this?

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by ncmncm on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:35PM (#28052510)
Boards think, or pretend to think, they need to promise such payments at hiring time in order to attract the candidates they (think they) want.

Board members tend to be, have been, or be related to CEOs. So, it is largely a matter of class solidarity. A norm of "CEO always wins" is good for them in general, even if it occasionally makes bad publicity. Bad publicity doesn't really cost them anything, anyway.

Boards and corporate officers ganging up against the interests of the stockholders is an old story. Nobody seems to have a solution, or to know how to put one into practice. Typically there is no one but a Board in any position to act on any idea.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by riknox on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @06:32AM (#28047575)
I think Wenig was also pushed out somewhat in relation to his opinion on the sale of eBay Classifieds - the rumour at the time was that he was very much against it while activist investors where trying to push it through.
Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by hef19898 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @08:04AM (#28048202)
Which is obviously worse than harassing people using company ressources. /s
Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by coldcode on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @08:22AM (#28048320)
I always thought the CEO should be responsible for what their company did even if they were carefully screened from direct knowledge of stupid things. But obviously that rarely happens.
Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by blackboxlogic on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:34AM (#28049682)
I think we have that for Sarbanes-Oxley compliance. I wonder why CEOs are responsible for some crimes, but not others.
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Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by tartoran on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @09:57AM (#28049230)
Captain going down with the ship analogy for CEOs would be to personally pay from their own pockets or their future compensation any misdeeds on their watch. If this were to happen I bet we’d see companies immediately start behaving
Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by vimacs2 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @07:03PM (#28055348)
My idea is more fun though :(

On a serious note, I unfortunately don't think that would make companies behave because the problem with corporations is not specifically bad leadership but a more systematic one.

Hierarchies just naturally cause communications to breakdown between different levels of an organisation with sufficient scaling and this will lead to inevitable conflict between workers and management which will further expand to conflicts between the company and their own userbase.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by JohnWhigham on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @09:49AM (#28049133)
It's something I think about at least once per week.

200 years ago, if the people in power were acting up, the people had the capacity to act...and they did. Heads fucking rolled. And not just some heads, but a lot of heads. Present day, the state is more powerful than people 200 years ago could even begin to conceive of. We have trillion dollar companies that literally do whatever they want. The people have little recourse to do anything anymore (there's a panoply of reasons as to why that's the case, but that's besides the point). We inherently know violent resolution is not the way to go...but let's be honest: nonviolent resolutions aren't working anymore.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by wpietri on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:19AM (#28049498)
I think that's a very rosy view of the olden days.

The rich have always had disproportionate power, but historically there was a lot more top-down violence. When the US started out, it was generally only land-owning white men who could vote, a pretty small proportion of "the people". It took decades past your "200 years ago" to get a vote just for the minority of people who were white men, and it was a very bumpy process. E.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorr_Rebellion

It wasn't until about 100 years ago that a majority of "the people" could even vote, and it was only 50 years ago that saw voting and economic rights applied reasonably equally to a majority of "the people".

Or we could look at actual attempts at "the people" having a modicum of power: labor organizing. The US has a rich history of anti-labor violence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence_in_the_Uni...

I am happy to complain about what's going on today. But as bad as, say, Amazon is about union organizing, we shouldn't pretend that it's (yet) as bad as it was for most of America's history. And part of what makes today better is a strong-enough set of governments to push back against corporate malfeasance. As the police in this story clearly did.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by rmah on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:31AM (#28049655)
Um, such actions were very very rare 200+ years ago. If you look at history from the lens of daily life in a given location, you will see that horrible behavior by the people in power would go on for lifetimes. Not only without without punishment or retribution, but sometimes celebrated and extolled. Often completely in the open. Typically, revolts only happened after things got really bad (as in lots of people murdered or starving bad). Even then, the vast majority of revolts ended up with lots of dead commoners and the same people in power.

Until very recently, the idea that those with power could not use that power to extract whatever they could from those without power was laughable. And the shit that the common folks had to deal with hundreds of years ago makes the worse harassment of today seem completely benign. Hell, mass murder to make a few bits of extra gold was common. And no one really batted an eye. Sometimes society not only condoned it but celebrated it.

Not to say that harassment today should be ignored. But harkening back to the good old days that never were is not, IMO, the way forward.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by ncmncm on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:45PM (#28052656)
You seem unaware of the history around the Pinkertons.

Short story is that this was a private agency that openly offered services like the ones performed by the Ebay contractors, all the way to the point of directed murder, and did across decades, within living memory.

Nowadays, such services are offered mainly in war zones, by companies like what used to be called Blackwater, later Xi, run by Erik Prince, brother of Betsy de Vos. So there is still a market served, just a bit more circumspectly. But nobody who hires them goes to jail, and they don't either.

Re:Massachusetts couple suing eBay after employees harassed ... by dogorman on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:49PM (#28051371)
The wealthy and powerful like to keep their heads, and have devised complex systems of liability laundering and misdirection to ensure that the general public never get mad enough at the right people to actually start chopping off heads again. In a democratic republic, politicians are ostensibly in charge but in reality are beholden to corporate interests; corporations which in turn serve to hide more degrees of indirection between the powerful and their whims. When something goes wrong and the public gets enraged, by design it is never obvious who's head they should be after. Layers upon layers of fall men and patsies soak up the anger, tanking the outrage, long before the mob makes it to the necks that would actually make a difference.