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Re:Life before smartphones (2020) by swayvil on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:51PM (#28043157)
There are 6 anecdotes in this thread where friends and family apply force to get a person to look at their phone. Social force, but still. Force.

Consider the soft forces of marketing, distraction, conformity, attraction and temptation. They are as real as a twisted arm.

Re:Life before smartphones (2020) by solaceb on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:15PM (#28043386)
Sure, I agree, it's all very coercive. But I think the point really is... physical force isn't even necessary. We're already addicted
Re:Life before smartphones (2020) by serf on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:09PM (#28044991)
even if you ignore addiction , mobile phones have been integrated into society in so many infrastructure-like roles that they are hardly at all optional or 'ignorable' at this point.

When you live in a world that requires bills to be paid via mobile, rent to be paid via mobile, mass transit tickets bought via mobile, physical location reservation via mobile, as well as any customer service only available via mobile... who cares about personal addiction; normal life isn't feasible without a mobile phone at that point, and very few (if any at all) mobile phones are designed from the premise that they should respect your attention.

The mobile phones that are designed to preserve the users attention are widely incompatible with any functions that the user needs (billpay/specific group apps, whatever) to stay integrated with the systems being forced upon them, so those options are already non-starter.

That means this problem is worth discussing -- non-compulsive normal people as well as compulsive addicts are being affected by the lack of 'respect for attention' that mobile phones have, and this problem intersects with the 'required prevalence' of mobile phones across the world.

Re:Life before smartphones (2020) by swayvil on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:47PM (#28044151)
The coercive forces are beneath discussion because we're all addicted anyway?

I dunno man. That sounds weird.

Re:Life before smartphones (2020) by Sebb767 on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:17PM (#28043403)
And there are quite a few anecdotes on how to prevent people from forcing you, some of them written by me :)

My overall point, however, is that there will never be an external negative reinforcement to look on your phone. We all have it internalized already and that's far more compelling than any external pressure ever could be.