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Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by lutorm on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:09PM (#28042674)
Given that you could probably build a Merlin out of solid gold and it would come in cheaper than an RS-25, that's not exactly saying much...
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by Ajedi32 on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:34PM (#28042991)
Wow, no kidding. The gold Merlin would be a quarter of the price![1][2][3] (At least in terms of materials.)

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/nasa-will-pay-a-stag...

[2]: https://www.google.com/search?q=merlin+engine+dry+mass

[3]: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28630+kg+of+gold+in+U...

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by mlindner on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:11PM (#28044324)
Keep in mind gold is a lot denser, so it'd be a miniature engine if you made it out of pure gold. If you take the volumetric space of all the materials that might lead to a different answer, but that's hard to do. (I guess you could make it out of gold foam.)
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by Ajedi32 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @10:19AM (#28049495)
Probably closer to half the price of the RS-25 then, assuming normal Merlins are made mostly out of steel:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28%28%28630+kg+*+%28d...

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by Diederich on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:37PM (#28043018)
I LOLd but then had to do the math. Turns out that the dry weight of a SpaceX Merlin engine, in gold, costs almost exactly the same as a production RS-25.

Current spot price of gold is $1800/oz. Merlin dry weight is 1380 pounds. 1380 pounds of gold is right at 40 million dollars.

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-25#Space_Shuttle_program :

"A total of 46 reusable RS-25 engines, each costing around US$40 million, were flown during the Space Shuttle program"

Beautiful.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by mlindner on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:13PM (#28044340)
Those numbers are out of date now, they recently restarted production and it turns out each engine is about $150M now for the new production run for the SLS. (Which about the cost of a full expendable Falcon Heavy rocket launch along with all 27 of its Merlin engines.)
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by mr_toad on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:36AM (#28046277)
That’s what happens when you decide on a product and then ask how much it costs.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jhgb on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:39PM (#28043041)
They cost much more than $40M these days.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by piercebot on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:34PM (#28042986)
Maybe not once you consider the R&D costs of figuring out how not to melt a solid gold Merlin engine ;)
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:25AM (#28046545)
... surprisingly, this is not much of an issue. The key property for keeping a rocket engine from melting is not high melting point, but high thermal conductivity. Because of this, all the parts that touch the hot flame are made from a copper alloy, with a melting point not far from that of pure gold.

In the chamber, the hot gases are >3500K, and touching the inner walls with a melting point at ~1400K, yet the walls don't melt, because they are cooled with more power than they are heated.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jhgb on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @06:28PM (#28067274)
> they are cooled with more power than they are heated

I'd argue that they're being cooled with equal power, otherwise they could freeze infinitely which is physically impossible.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jjoonathan on Monday August 02, 2021 @09:29PM (#28044767)
This man (err, bot?) contracts!
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by lutorm on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:49PM (#28043686)
There is that... ;-)