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Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by Godel_unicode on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:05AM (#28033106)
Progress doesn't have to imply more consumption, there's been a ton of progress in the field of recycling for instance. Also in renewable power sources.

Finally, with regard to poor arguments, you should probably read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by forcry on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:21AM (#28033165)
> there's been a ton of progress in the field of recycling for instance. Also in renewable power sources.

Obviously that is not the kind of progress we were talking about here in the context of transitioning to 5G here.

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by Godel_unicode on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:07AM (#28033377)
It's literally exactly what we're talking about. You seem to be unaware that one of the major benefits of 5g (aside from the significantly increased density per tower requiring fewer towers) is all the energy savings baked into 5g-nr. Try not to believe the hype.

https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2019/9/energy-consumption-5...

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by mdp2021 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:58AM (#28047038)
> requiring fewer towers

It is the first time I hear this: the usual narrative is that it would require more towers. (And the idea of the emitters being more pervasive in the territory is one of the main concerns of some).

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by forcry on Monday August 02, 2021 @03:30AM (#28033849)
> You seem to be unaware that one of the major benefits of 5g

True.

> Up to 15 percent energy savings with software features

'Upto 15 percent' sounds alike it is a very optimistic estimate, (you know when they advertise 'upto 50% discount' most of the products are discounted at much lower rate). And it does not seem that this power saving is also dependent on network traffic. So I am not really convinced.