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Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by Sebb767 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @11:16AM (#28026859)
> The ultimate tool for corporations to sustain a culture of this sort is to develop the 40-hour workweek as the normal lifestyle. Under these working conditions people have to build a life in the evenings and on weekends.

I slightly disagree with this point. The 40 hour work week is a rather recent development; in the past, people had to work a lot longer with no or only one day of. The trend actually goes in the direction of reducing it further (at least here in Germany), where 35 or 32 hour weeks are getting more common (depending on the job, of course). Plus, there are alternative models, such as 4x 10h days + 3 days off.

Sure, the current model serves corporations, but it is by no means their invention. And while they are a big part of why it still is so large, the reason is most likely that they need the labor hours, not the specific consumption behavior.

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by slv77 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @11:51AM (#28027156)
Longer work weeks we’re mostly confined to Industrial Age city populations that didn’t have access to land to farm. Few laborers working in early industrial mills was doing so because it was easier then farming.

Agfa, Foraging and hunter-gatherer populations, work about 20 hours per week and transitioning to farming increased working hours.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190520115646.h...

!Kung spend 40 to 45 hours on food gathering and prep between women and men.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fistfulofscience.wordpress.com/...

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by namdnay on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:12PM (#28027955)
And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40?

And you’re skipping a few thousands of years of civilization between hunter gatherers and the industrial revolution. I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by tome on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:51PM (#28028385)
"Hunter-gatherers do not experience short, nasty, and brutish lives ... there appears to be a characteristic life span for Homo sapiens, in that on average, human bodies function well for about seven decades."

https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3...

Encyclopedia of Evolutionary Psychological Science

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by deepnotderp on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:41PM (#28028286)
> And hunter gatherers lived to what age, 40?

Transitioning to farming is what dropped lifespans.

https://theconversation.com/hunter-gatherers-live-nearly-as-...

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by namdnay on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:50PM (#28028373)
It says in your article that life expectancy at birth was 25 years for hunter gatherers societies. Now that’s in great part due to infant mortality, but where does this lower infant mortality come from? Advanced civilization with doctors, medicines and machines that can keep mothers and babies alive,
Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by deepnotderp on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:52PM (#28028397)
Not really, it’s due to healthier moms and sanitation, as evidenced by socioeconomic disparities in infant mortality and higher infant mortality in the U.S. relative to other developed countries.

The U.S. example in particular refutes your “overwork = good” thesis

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by namarie on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:55PM (#28028420)
>I can guarantee a Roman or medieval farmer worked pretty much every hour of sunlight

The work was seasonal, though. They built up their reserves for winter, when I imagine they didn't have to work nearly as hard.

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by TeMPOraL on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:59AM (#28034751)
There's plenty of work around the farm to be done over winter (basically, all kinds of work that isn't strictly necessary around harvest season will be pushed out to whatever other time there is in the year). You still have farm animals to handle. There are repairs to be made. Trenches to dig. And as the winter comes full force, given how low-density an energy source firewood is, you at least needed to regularly get out to haul and process fuel for heating.

Etc. My life experience is only slightly farm-adjacent. I'm sure someone who grew up on a farm can contribute more examples of winter work.

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by meiraleal on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:41PM (#28028745)
You can't guarantee that. If that was the case the bourgeois revolution would have happened way before with all the surplus someone working every hour of sunlight would produce on a piece of land.
Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by noir_lord on Sunday August 01, 2021 @11:39AM (#28027046)
> The 40 hour work week is a rather recent development; in the past, people had to work a lot longer with no or only one day of.

At a point in time, hours worked where often lower in pre-industrial times.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_w...

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by tresil on Sunday August 01, 2021 @11:38AM (#28027042)
Agreed. There’s quite a bit of evidence that the 40hr work week has a lot to do with our human tendency to compete.

Here’s a relevant 3min podcast on the topic (also transcribed).

https://www.npr.org/2015/08/13/432122637/keynes-predicted-we...

Re:Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (2010) by heavyset_go on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:46PM (#28029232)
People worked fewer hours in preindustrial society[1], and people had more time off, as well.

[1] http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_w...