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Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by op00to on Saturday July 31, 2021 @07:47PM (#28022436)
You couldn’t be more wrong, or more dismissive. Ask a working single mother whether inexpensive, effective appliances are a significant productivity and quality of life enhancer.
Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by ALittleLight on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:12PM (#28022563)
This reminds me of Simpson's Paradox in the sense that it may be true that life is better for a single mother because modern appliances make life easier but it is also true that society has greatly increased the number of single mothers. In 1980 18% of births were to single mothers compared to 40% in 2020[1].

It's possible that the amount of single mother suffering has increased even though the suffering per single mother may have decreased. (No change, I expect, in the children's suffering)

1 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-...

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by Negitivefrags on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:46AM (#28024329)
That statistic sounds totally wrong and after looking at your source it is highly misleading. It’s just if the parents were married at birth.

Of the people I know with kids like 50% of them were not married when they started having kids. They either got married latter or never married because there was no advantage to do so and they didn’t care.

Yet none of them are what you would call “single mothers”. They are all still together with the fathers of their children.

So basically it says more about marriage than it does about parenting.

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by ALittleLight on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:18AM (#28024439)
If you have better data I'm happy to look at that. I agree that cohabiting are likely more common now and it is possibly more common to get married just after birth than it used to be.

Table CH-1 from this census website shows that children living with a single parent goes from 10% in 1960 to 36% in 2020. (=E13/C13) I'm not certain but I think they are accounting for cohabiting parents here because they don't use any language related to marriage and the census could tell if the parents were cohabiting or not.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/families...

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by CapricornNoble on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:04AM (#28023710)
>>>No change, I expect, in the children's suffering

Drug use, gang activity, and other criminality are all positively correlated with single-parent households, and some data shows even MORE positively correlated with single-mother, as opposed to single-father, households.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/single-p...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316649639_The_effec...

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/the-real-r....

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by op00to on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:55PM (#28022792)
Again, we can go deeper. How many single mothers would be forced to remain in otherwise abusive situations but for the fact that she is able to both work and care for her family due to “progress”?
Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by ALittleLight on Saturday July 31, 2021 @11:54PM (#28023676)
My cursory look for some evidence suggests single mothers see dramatically elevated rates of violence and abuse. This source surveys children who live with both parents and just one. Children living with just one are seven times as likely to have witnessed someone hitting their mother in the past year than children living with both parents. I take that to mean that the increase in single motherhood means there is more domestic abuse happening than if no such increase had taken place.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/children-in-single-parent-familie...

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by bonzini on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:07AM (#28024951)
Or maybe those women are now single mothers because they were able to escape their abusers. You would have to compare data across decades, and adjust for people being more/less willing to disclose abuse.
Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by Ma8ee on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:54PM (#28028847)
I very much agree with you. I grew up without microwave oven or dishwasher. Neither of those are essential in any way, but claiming that those don’t provide great time savers for parents (single or not) with small children would be ridiculous.

I don’t remember where I saw the numbers, but in 1980 a microwave cost more than a months (average) salary. Today I can buy a good one for less than half a day’s earnings.

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by coldtea on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:39AM (#28023832)
Ask a working single mother is she would trade "inexpensive, effective appliances" to 1960s era healthcare, housing/rent, and education costs, and working/middle class job availability.

The answer might suprise you...

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by actually_a_dog on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:31AM (#28024754)
I don’t think quite as many “working/middle class job(s)” were available to single mothers in the 1960s as you seem to be claiming.
Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by hellbannedguy on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:16PM (#28023202)
Wow--

I have never heard anyone say, "Bosh made my life easier"

And it reminds me I'm on my second pump for a E12 error.

(After tossing too many Bosh appliances, I finally got lucky repairing one. The guys on the internet helped.)

Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by Ma8ee on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:00PM (#28028895)
There’s nothing forcing you to use any electric appliances, with the possible exception the stove if you to make warm food and don’t have access to a wood stove. Try a week washing the dishes by hand, doing your laundry in the sink or in the bathtub. I’m sure you’ll be a bit embarrassed about your above comment after that.
Re:Where has all the productivity gone? by bonzini on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:09AM (#28024961)
You probably should ask someone who was born in the 1920s. If you asked a middle class woman in the 50s to choose between a car and a washing machine, I would bet she would pick the washing machine.