Re:Italian Pronunciation: A Primer for Singers (2016)
by nonsapreiche on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:09AM
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In italian the zz in pizza is voiced loud, in razzo is unvoiced like in the example you made. And of course I assume that pizza is na italian world, and all english dialects that pronounce different from the original are wrong
Re:Italian Pronunciation: A Primer for Singers (2016)
by naniwaduni on Saturday July 31, 2021 @01:28PM
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It's pretty hard to pin this down firmly since attested pronunciations range wider than you seem to think, but based on what you've said in this thread, it seems like a good idea to sanity-check on the voiced/unvoiced distinction.
In the following clips, [1] has voice, [2] has unvoiced: [1]: https://audio00.forvo.com/audios/mp3/3/k/3k_9459069_74_57198... [2]: https://audio00.forvo.com/audios/mp3/s/x/sx_9001968_74_57198...
Re:Italian Pronunciation: A Primer for Singers (2016)
by darkwater on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:15AM
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I think "razzo" pronunciation varies depending on the zone/speaker. It is often pronounced the same as "pizza", although it /shouldn't/.
Re:Italian Pronunciation: A Primer for Singers (2016)
by jaclaz on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:32AM
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Well, we have also razza and razza (as in race/breed and spoke/ray/stingray) and they are respectively /ˈrat.t͡sa/ and /ˈrad.d͡za/ where the difference in pronounciation is key to the meaning.
Pizza is definitely /ˈpit.t͡sa/ (and both the t and the s are voiced).
Razzo (rocket) is /ˈrad.d͡zo/, BUT razzolare is /rat.t͡soˈla.re/ .
The z, single or double, is one of the tricky ones to pronounce properly, in Italian they are usually called zeta dura and zeta dolce "hard z" and "sweet z".
Things like this is why using example words to clarify pronunciation is often a bad idea, especially with a language as diverse as English.